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apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

here you are crafty i started this just for you& anyone else that would like to chat peacfully or otherwise

foul i here please explain''  

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

balls up boys

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

yeah i have a problem that a HPSB cant be built for people that weigh over 70 kilos and are taller then 5 foot 8 and that a blank labled 2 pound density calculated at 1.5 .

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

I would have liked this experiment to have been done with none of the material suppliers knowing a thing about it.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

i rekon surfding is so rockanroll man

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

i rekon i gunna start landing airs soon. once me knee comes right

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

?

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

I think I kind of got you silly, but maybe.... but, nar what the F are you on?

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive

i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops

i also think that in clears glass the poly will look similar but more air in the epoxy lam if laminated with the same technique

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

I agree but not on the late drop part.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

im basically live to ride mate. snowboard all winter surf all summer. wag it , chuck sikies whatever man. if its firing within 100 miles im there. money is a means to an end . i cant stand crowds either so cold and bigish is better. no booze or drugs . just the ride man

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

hey yorky i rekon the polys feel a bit lower in the water as you jump to your feet. eps feels like it lifts up a bit and if theres abit of chop its no good

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

ixps is great foam for a surfboard but definately has delam issues. easily solved i hope

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

You guy's down under are classic!

If we could be so light hearted here is the states?

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Left to right: Bud Lamas (Mayor of Huntington Beach), Brett Simpson (2009 US OPEN CHAMPION), Shaun Ward (PRO SURFER)

Brett going off to complete his first year on the WCT Dream Tour. Huntington Beach (Sponsered by HURLEY) Threw a big party celibrating one of our own making the dream. Surfing is a very important part of life where I grew up. Seeing the kids take it to a new level is pretty awesome. The kids live to surf and surf to live.

What does this have do do with Apples and Oranges?

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Hey Huie,

Not sure what youre saying in your opening post but I like apples a bit more than oranges. Yum

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

silly wrote:

i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive

i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops

Yellow will be the ride AND durability winner hands down. Not sure this is much of a contest.

Which makes me wonder why people are so emotional about this particular experiment.

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Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

The other winners are CONSUMERS with MORE CHOICES.

Just ride whatever floats your boat.

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Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

The clear LOSER is anyone with an agenda to go back to the days of CLARK FOAM style MONOPOLY.

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Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Question for Greg Loehr.

Will the pitting on finished shaped eps ever go away? Its not an issue for me but i know it is for the commercial guys trying to make a living.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

...I understand the intention of Huie

but this have been derivated in somewhat like a chat

so, talking about everything,

I m here thinking in the only ones who made the money with the surfboards (pun intended)...the surfwear companies

and making money selling UGLY (most) designed clothes

plus, skateboard inspired

awful and useless (to ride) bermudas (too long and thick)

horrendous art stamped on cotton clothes, etc

remember those "funny" sneakers that were the max few years ago

looked like the crash cars games in the fun fairs

what happend with a "man style"?

may be we all want to be the eternal kid...

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Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

You mean the little pits between the beads?  I think it's been minimalized by the better fused foam to a point that it doesn't matter.  I've seen some recently and you can't see that stuff anymore.  Used to have to seal to cover it but I don't think it's an issue now.

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

You had delam issues?

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Re: [gregloehr] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Yeah that Greg. Thats good to know.

I like the pits as long as there is resin in them. Ive peeled glass off boards and found that the pitted ones were much harder to peel. Ive also done peel tests on samples to support those observations. i think the pits are good under the feet.

I also think that if a customer wants premium cosmetics they should ask for well made pupe. You cant have it both ways esp if u dont want to pay for it.

Strength to weight, then eps epoxy of same finished weight or slightly lighter.

Availability of different cores is also an issue. Im not sure if Marko or other surfboard specific eps is available in Oz/NZ.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

haha yes i finished the blank to fine scree and tinted it black so i could see whats going on when i thrash the shit out of it, and it has been thrashed . so its getting fried in the sun and car had about quality 100 waves on it already, the thing is strong, no dents very light. i will do a clear machine cut one next with A LIGHTER single 4 oz all over rough finished blank using my compsand glassing technique. tinting epoxy black reveals many things IMO

yes marko is available here

hey reverb how about a t shirt that says " CARPARK OPPORTUNITY"

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

 the deck seems fine btw its the bottom that is showing small signs of problems . go figure

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Silly wrote:
i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive
i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops



Yorky wrote:
I agree but not on the late drop part.

Jan 2010 - ordinary ability, late drop, lightweight chip, EPS coreJan 2010 - ordinary ability, late drop, lightweight chip, EPS core

sequence photo of same wave - I made it no problemsequence photo of same wave - I made it no problem

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reverb wrote:

..

what happend with a "man style"?

may be we all want to be the eternal kid...

I have no style

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Reverb, mate. You really need to hang out in Australia for a while, I reckon you would really fit in nicely.

I Love me Apples!

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MrJ, Beautiful wave mate.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

lovely juicy wave J and good surfing. but not late drop

late drop as in whitewater breaking over your head . pigdog under a freefall lip on backhand and angled drop into a big hollow forehand one. or freefall out of lip

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

i spose its kinda semi late. maybe a five minutes late and not a "barstard stood me up again late"

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Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

ok, lets call it on the late side of early

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Re: [Yorky] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

...would be good

but I need a job there first...

too expensive for me if I go there only to surf and hang around

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Re: [Yorky] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Yorky wrote:

I Love me Apples!

That looks like a delicious orangepple!

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Can someone post the code for the secret decoder ring to unlock the meaning of this thread?

It's all quite cryptic and vague.

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Re: [lawless] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Cryptic and vague is my specialty....

But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps

This thread is for side comments on that one.

And for crafty to have fun....

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

AH, I see now. Construction technique comparison.

I've done this test myself with my favorite go-to board.

Left to right: Biofoam blank with UV poly resin / 2# EPS 6/6/6 glass / 1.5# bamboo deck w/ carbon rails.
All cut from the same file on the KKL machine.

4 years on the 2# EPS board, 1.5 years on the Biofoam and 6 months into the Bamboo.

I've made my conclusions based on my personal preferences and experience level. The biggest problem is that personal preference is HIGHLY subjective.

I'm curious to see the results of Surfding's little experiment though. More than anything it's fun to play around and feel how different boards ride given the same shape and different construction methods.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Jan 2010 - ordinary ability, late drop, lightweight chip, EPS core

I want to point out the guy straight inside Mr J - Doing the right thing and paddling towards the white water/out of the freakin' way...

Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right?  I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.

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Re: [MikeDaniel] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

MikeDaniel wrote:

And... ...to have fun....

Hey Mike took the liberty to edit that for you ;)

As far the core subject, Im just voicing what is obvious.

One thing for certain, some surfers are really really emotional about their surfboards. Which makes one wonder.

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Re: [TaylorO] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Taylor, good point that several people haven't learned yet. More common courtesy than anything.

Not really sure who has the actual right of way, but by all experience it should be the guy on the wave. Some guys just don't realise what sort of danger they are putting themselves in, and you, by getting in the way just because they are trying to avoid a pounding......wusses.

I've run over few in my day and I'm not aggressive, but they deserved it. The person on the wave, particularly in a more critical situation, has more to worry about than some idiot paddling in front of him.

Get out of the way or get out of the water. Again, I'm not aggressive.

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Re: [lawless] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Hey Lawless

What did you conclude....?

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MikeDaniel wrote:

Cryptic and vague is my specialty....

But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps

lawless wrote:

AH, I see now. Construction technique comparison.

Mike is just confusing you.

this is the thread you need http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/idea-m-paler-no-post-comment-option

a lot has been happening on Swaylocks recently, this is a good thread

http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/time-to-shape-my-bonzer

however surfboards are very serious business and every thread on Swaylocks starts life as a potential train-wreck - this is a good one which was heading for what looked like a certain crash

http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/commercial-surfboard-attrocities

However Silverbak rescued it from the brink of disaster with this thread

http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/dick-measuring

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Re: [TaylorO] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

TaylorO wrote:
I want to point out the guy straight inside Mr J - Doing the right thing and paddling towards the white water/out of the freakin' way...

Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right?  I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.

TaylorO, I try and angle my board on takeoff to show some intention of the direction I will head in the situation where there are potentially people in the way. If I am the person paddling out I will always try and get out of the way and if paddling into the whitewater and getting hammered is better for the surfer taking off, then I will do that.

the following diagrams are how I understand a couple of different situation.

surfer A initiated a move for the wave and gets board on the plane earlier, it is bad manners for B to claim positionsurfer A initiated a move for the wave and gets board on the plane earlier, it is bad manners for B to claim position

this is snakingthis is snaking

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Sways is in good health right now.

Dam funny and rewarding.

Your all a bunch of crazy computer dorky nerds.... most of us should be doing better things with our time. And you know thats the truth!

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

MrJ, Yes thats a snake I reckon

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Yorky wrote:

Your all a bunch of crazy computer dorky nerds.... most of us should be doing better things with our time. And you know thats the truth!

yes I've done quite enough ahem measuring for one day. I think I'll leave the puter and go and watch The Wire on the TV now.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

My conclusion:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't break glass with a fish.

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Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

Hi MrJ

In the first diagram I tend to agree with your assessment on manners but I guarantee that with a mix of board lengths in most lineups, manners are sometimes (often) forgotten.  If Surfer B is on a shortboard in a mixed lineup, he might not have any other options.  I'd give it to Surfer B based on the age old rule that "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way."  I'm pretty much a longboarder - if I catch an outside wave and an inside shortboarder manages to take off behind me (closer to the curl), I give him the right of way and kick out.

In the second diagram, I see a situation that is more commonly referred to as "Jockeying for position."  Again, Surfer B gets the nod for being closest to the curl.  It may have been because of his aggresive jockeying for position but that's what jockeying for position is all about.  Except in contests where there is sometimes a priority buoy in place, jockeying for position is always going on.  Again "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way."

I'm not saying it's set in stone but nearly as far back as I can remember "Snaking" has been referred to as taking off in front of the surfer who is up, riding, and closer to the breaking part of the wave.  There are situations where it may be permissable, like when there is a section that the surfer in priority position isn't going to make in a million years or when the surfer in priority position calls you in = "Party Wave!"

While we're on the subject of priority and etiquette, what about the situation of various board lengths in the lineup where one surfer (typically on a longer board) gets to his feet first?  I've heard it said that "First surfer to his feet has priority."  I've argued that it's still the surfer closest to the breaking part of wave who has priority.  Again, longboarders are at too much of an advantage in that case and the shortboarders would be left with scraps.

Bottom line is that in many crowded lineups, it's dog eat dog with few obeying any sort of rules. 

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Re: [MikeDaniel] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

MikeDaniel wrote:

Cryptic and vague is my specialty....

But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps

This thread is for side comments on that one.

And for crafty to have fun....

well  the free kicks are over

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Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx

crafty wrote:

Hey Huie,

Not sure what youre saying in your opening post but I like apples a bit more than oranges. Yum

what i am saying is you get a free kick or two   then i get to answer you

belive me i have no agenda         as a shaper for over 5 decades just saying what i feel

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