yeah i have a problem that a HPSB cant be built for people that weigh over 70 kilos and are taller then 5 foot 8 and that a blank labled 2 pound density calculated at 1.5 .
im basically live to ride mate. snowboard all winter surf all summer. wag it , chuck sikies whatever man. if its firing within 100 miles im there. money is a means to an end . i cant stand crowds either so cold and bigish is better. no booze or drugs . just the ride man
hey yorky i rekon the polys feel a bit lower in the water as you jump to your feet. eps feels like it lifts up a bit and if theres abit of chop its no good
Left to right: Bud Lamas (Mayor of Huntington Beach), Brett Simpson (2009 US OPEN CHAMPION), Shaun Ward (PRO SURFER)
Brett going off to complete his first year on the WCT Dream Tour. Huntington Beach (Sponsered by HURLEY) Threw a big party celibrating one of our own making the dream. Surfing is a very important part of life where I grew up. Seeing the kids take it to a new level is pretty awesome. The kids live to surf and surf to live.
What does this have do do with Apples and Oranges?
You mean the little pits between the beads? I think it's been minimalized by the better fused foam to a point that it doesn't matter. I've seen some recently and you can't see that stuff anymore. Used to have to seal to cover it but I don't think it's an issue now.
I like the pits as long as there is resin in them. Ive peeled glass off boards and found that the pitted ones were much harder to peel. Ive also done peel tests on samples to support those observations. i think the pits are good under the feet.
I also think that if a customer wants premium cosmetics they should ask for well made pupe. You cant have it both ways esp if u dont want to pay for it.
Strength to weight, then eps epoxy of same finished weight or slightly lighter.
Availability of different cores is also an issue. Im not sure if Marko or other surfboard specific eps is available in Oz/NZ.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
haha yes i finished the blank to fine scree and tinted it black so i could see whats going on when i thrash the shit out of it, and it has been thrashed . so its getting fried in the sun and car had about quality 100 waves on it already, the thing is strong, no dents very light. i will do a clear machine cut one next with A LIGHTER single 4 oz all over rough finished blank using my compsand glassing technique. tinting epoxy black reveals many things IMO
yes marko is available here
hey reverb how about a t shirt that says " CARPARK OPPORTUNITY"
i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops
Yorky wrote:
I agree but not on the late drop part.
Jan 2010 - ordinary ability, late drop, lightweight chip, EPS core
sequence photo of same wave - I made it no problem
lovely juicy wave J and good surfing. but not late drop
late drop as in whitewater breaking over your head . pigdog under a freefall lip on backhand and angled drop into a big hollow forehand one. or freefall out of lip
I've done this test myself with my favorite go-to board.
Left to right: Biofoam blank with UV poly resin / 2# EPS 6/6/6 glass / 1.5# bamboo deck w/ carbon rails. All cut from the same file on the KKL machine.
4 years on the 2# EPS board, 1.5 years on the Biofoam and 6 months into the Bamboo.
I've made my conclusions based on my personal preferences and experience level. The biggest problem is that personal preference is HIGHLY subjective.
I'm curious to see the results of Surfding's little experiment though. More than anything it's fun to play around and feel how different boards ride given the same shape and different construction methods.
I want to point out the guy straight inside Mr J - Doing the right thing and paddling towards the white water/out of the freakin' way...
Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right? I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.
Taylor, good point that several people haven't learned yet. More common courtesy than anything.
Not really sure who has the actual right of way, but by all experience it should be the guy on the wave. Some guys just don't realise what sort of danger they are putting themselves in, and you, by getting in the way just because they are trying to avoid a pounding......wusses.
I've run over few in my day and I'm not aggressive, but they deserved it. The person on the wave, particularly in a more critical situation, has more to worry about than some idiot paddling in front of him.
Get out of the way or get out of the water. Again, I'm not aggressive.
however surfboards are very serious business and every thread on Swaylocks starts life as a potential train-wreck - this is a good one which was heading for what looked like a certain crash
I want to point out the guy straight inside Mr J - Doing the right thing and paddling towards the white water/out of the freakin' way...
Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right? I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.
TaylorO, I try and angle my board on takeoff to show some intention of the direction I will head in the situation where there are potentially people in the way. If I am the person paddling out I will always try and get out of the way and if paddling into the whitewater and getting hammered is better for the surfer taking off, then I will do that.
the following diagrams are how I understand a couple of different situation.
surfer A initiated a move for the wave and gets board on the plane earlier, it is bad manners for B to claim position
In the first diagram I tend to agree with your assessment on manners but I guarantee that with a mix of board lengths in most lineups, manners are sometimes (often) forgotten. If Surfer B is on a shortboard in a mixed lineup, he might not have any other options. I'd give it to Surfer B based on the age old rule that "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way." I'm pretty much a longboarder - if I catch an outside wave and an inside shortboarder manages to take off behind me (closer to the curl), I give him the right of way and kick out.
In the second diagram, I see a situation that is more commonly referred to as "Jockeying for position." Again, Surfer B gets the nod for being closest to the curl. It may have been because of his aggresive jockeying for position but that's what jockeying for position is all about. Except in contests where there is sometimes a priority buoy in place, jockeying for position is always going on. Again "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way."
I'm not saying it's set in stone but nearly as far back as I can remember "Snaking" has been referred to as taking off in front of the surfer who is up, riding, and closer to the breaking part of the wave. There are situations where it may be permissable, like when there is a section that the surfer in priority position isn't going to make in a million years or when the surfer in priority position calls you in = "Party Wave!"
While we're on the subject of priority and etiquette, what about the situation of various board lengths in the lineup where one surfer (typically on a longer board) gets to his feet first? I've heard it said that "First surfer to his feet has priority." I've argued that it's still the surfer closest to the breaking part of wave who has priority. Again, longboarders are at too much of an advantage in that case and the shortboarders would be left with scraps.
Bottom line is that in many crowded lineups, it's dog eat dog with few obeying any sort of rules.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
balls up boys
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
yeah i have a problem that a HPSB cant be built for people that weigh over 70 kilos and are taller then 5 foot 8 and that a blank labled 2 pound density calculated at 1.5 .
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
I would have liked this experiment to have been done with none of the material suppliers knowing a thing about it.
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i rekon surfding is so rockanroll man
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i rekon i gunna start landing airs soon. once me knee comes right
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
?
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
I think I kind of got you silly, but maybe.... but, nar what the F are you on?
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive
i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops
i also think that in clears glass the poly will look similar but more air in the epoxy lam if laminated with the same technique
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
I agree but not on the late drop part.
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
im basically live to ride mate. snowboard all winter surf all summer. wag it , chuck sikies whatever man. if its firing within 100 miles im there. money is a means to an end . i cant stand crowds either so cold and bigish is better. no booze or drugs . just the ride man
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
hey yorky i rekon the polys feel a bit lower in the water as you jump to your feet. eps feels like it lifts up a bit and if theres abit of chop its no good
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
ixps is great foam for a surfboard but definately has delam issues. easily solved i hope
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
You guy's down under are classic!
If we could be so light hearted here is the states?
Cheers,
Surfding
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Left to right: Bud Lamas (Mayor of Huntington Beach), Brett Simpson (2009 US OPEN CHAMPION), Shaun Ward (PRO SURFER)
Brett going off to complete his first year on the WCT Dream Tour. Huntington Beach (Sponsered by HURLEY) Threw a big party celibrating one of our own making the dream. Surfing is a very important part of life where I grew up. Seeing the kids take it to a new level is pretty awesome. The kids live to surf and surf to live.
What does this have do do with Apples and Oranges?
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Hey Huie,
Not sure what youre saying in your opening post but I like apples a bit more than oranges. Yum
Surfding is a jolly good fellow!
Lets get freaky Ya'll! There's extra points.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i rekon the result will be that the poly will work better 4ft plus and better in onshores, fluid reliable and positive
i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops
Yellow will be the ride AND durability winner hands down. Not sure this is much of a contest.
Which makes me wonder why people are so emotional about this particular experiment.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
The other winners are CONSUMERS with MORE CHOICES.
Just ride whatever floats your boat.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
The clear LOSER is anyone with an agenda to go back to the days of CLARK FOAM style MONOPOLY.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Question for Greg Loehr.
Will the pitting on finished shaped eps ever go away? Its not an issue for me but i know it is for the commercial guys trying to make a living.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
...I understand the intention of Huie
but this have been derivated in somewhat like a chat
so, talking about everything,
I m here thinking in the only ones who made the money with the surfboards (pun intended)...the surfwear companies
and making money selling UGLY (most) designed clothes
plus, skateboard inspired
awful and useless (to ride) bermudas (too long and thick)
horrendous art stamped on cotton clothes, etc
remember those "funny" sneakers that were the max few years ago
looked like the crash cars games in the fun fairs
what happend with a "man style"?
may be we all want to be the eternal kid...
Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
You mean the little pits between the beads? I think it's been minimalized by the better fused foam to a point that it doesn't matter. I've seen some recently and you can't see that stuff anymore. Used to have to seal to cover it but I don't think it's an issue now.
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
You had delam issues?
Re: [gregloehr] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Yeah that Greg. Thats good to know.
I like the pits as long as there is resin in them. Ive peeled glass off boards and found that the pitted ones were much harder to peel. Ive also done peel tests on samples to support those observations. i think the pits are good under the feet.
I also think that if a customer wants premium cosmetics they should ask for well made pupe. You cant have it both ways esp if u dont want to pay for it.
Strength to weight, then eps epoxy of same finished weight or slightly lighter.
Availability of different cores is also an issue. Im not sure if Marko or other surfboard specific eps is available in Oz/NZ.
_________________________________
As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
haha yes i finished the blank to fine scree and tinted it black so i could see whats going on when i thrash the shit out of it, and it has been thrashed . so its getting fried in the sun and car had about quality 100 waves on it already, the thing is strong, no dents very light. i will do a clear machine cut one next with A LIGHTER single 4 oz all over rough finished blank using my compsand glassing technique. tinting epoxy black reveals many things IMO
yes marko is available here
hey reverb how about a t shirt that says " CARPARK OPPORTUNITY"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
the deck seems fine btw its the bottom that is showing small signs of problems . go figure
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i rekon the eps will work better 1 to 2 foot beachie and be twitchy. and pearl a bit on late drops
Re: [reverb] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
..
what happend with a "man style"?
may be we all want to be the eternal kid...
I have no style
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Reverb, mate. You really need to hang out in Australia for a while, I reckon you would really fit in nicely.
I Love me Apples!
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
MrJ, Beautiful wave mate.
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
lovely juicy wave J and good surfing. but not late drop
late drop as in whitewater breaking over your head . pigdog under a freefall lip on backhand and angled drop into a big hollow forehand one. or freefall out of lip
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
i spose its kinda semi late. maybe a five minutes late and not a "barstard stood me up again late"
Re: [silly] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
ok, lets call it on the late side of early
Re: [Yorky] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
...would be good
but I need a job there first...
too expensive for me if I go there only to surf and hang around
Re: [Yorky] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
I Love me Apples!
That looks like a delicious orangepple!
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Can someone post the code for the secret decoder ring to unlock the meaning of this thread?
It's all quite cryptic and vague.
Re: [lawless] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Cryptic and vague is my specialty....
But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps
This thread is for side comments on that one.
And for crafty to have fun....
mike@coilsurf.com http://coilsurf.com
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
AH, I see now. Construction technique comparison.
I've done this test myself with my favorite go-to board.
Left to right: Biofoam blank with UV poly resin / 2# EPS 6/6/6 glass / 1.5# bamboo deck w/ carbon rails.
All cut from the same file on the KKL machine.
4 years on the 2# EPS board, 1.5 years on the Biofoam and 6 months into the Bamboo.
I've made my conclusions based on my personal preferences and experience level. The biggest problem is that personal preference is HIGHLY subjective.
I'm curious to see the results of Surfding's little experiment though. More than anything it's fun to play around and feel how different boards ride given the same shape and different construction methods.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
I want to point out the guy straight inside Mr J - Doing the right thing and paddling towards the white water/out of the freakin' way...
Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right? I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.
TaylorO
Re: [MikeDaniel] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
And... ...to have fun....
Hey Mike took the liberty to edit that for you ;)
As far the core subject, Im just voicing what is obvious.
One thing for certain, some surfers are really really emotional about their surfboards. Which makes one wonder.
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As you slide down the banister of life,
don't let your arse collect too many splinters.
Re: [TaylorO] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Taylor, good point that several people haven't learned yet. More common courtesy than anything.
Not really sure who has the actual right of way, but by all experience it should be the guy on the wave. Some guys just don't realise what sort of danger they are putting themselves in, and you, by getting in the way just because they are trying to avoid a pounding......wusses.
I've run over few in my day and I'm not aggressive, but they deserved it. The person on the wave, particularly in a more critical situation, has more to worry about than some idiot paddling in front of him.
Get out of the way or get out of the water. Again, I'm not aggressive.
Greg
Re: [lawless] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Hey Lawless
What did you conclude....?
Re: [lawless] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Cryptic and vague is my specialty....
But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps
AH, I see now. Construction technique comparison.
Mike is just confusing you.
this is the thread you need http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/idea-m-paler-no-post-comment-option
a lot has been happening on Swaylocks recently, this is a good thread
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/time-to-shape-my-bonzer
however surfboards are very serious business and every thread on Swaylocks starts life as a potential train-wreck - this is a good one which was heading for what looked like a certain crash
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/commercial-surfboard-attrocities
However Silverbak rescued it from the brink of disaster with this thread
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/dick-measuring
Re: [TaylorO] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Correct me if I'm wrong - That is how is "should" work, right? I only make this point because of hard feelings based on, what I would call, "misunderstandings" around who has the right of way in this type of situation.
TaylorO, I try and angle my board on takeoff to show some intention of the direction I will head in the situation where there are potentially people in the way. If I am the person paddling out I will always try and get out of the way and if paddling into the whitewater and getting hammered is better for the surfer taking off, then I will do that.
the following diagrams are how I understand a couple of different situation.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Sways is in good health right now.
Dam funny and rewarding.
Your all a bunch of crazy computer dorky nerds.... most of us should be doing better things with our time. And you know thats the truth!
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
MrJ, Yes thats a snake I reckon
"If it wasn't for the ocean, I wouldn't be here"
Re: [Yorky] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Your all a bunch of crazy computer dorky nerds.... most of us should be doing better things with our time. And you know thats the truth!
yes I've done quite enough ahem measuring for one day. I think I'll leave the puter and go and watch The Wire on the TV now.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
My conclusion:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't break glass with a fish.
Re: [huie] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Hi MrJ
In the first diagram I tend to agree with your assessment on manners but I guarantee that with a mix of board lengths in most lineups, manners are sometimes (often) forgotten. If Surfer B is on a shortboard in a mixed lineup, he might not have any other options. I'd give it to Surfer B based on the age old rule that "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way." I'm pretty much a longboarder - if I catch an outside wave and an inside shortboarder manages to take off behind me (closer to the curl), I give him the right of way and kick out.
In the second diagram, I see a situation that is more commonly referred to as "Jockeying for position." Again, Surfer B gets the nod for being closest to the curl. It may have been because of his aggresive jockeying for position but that's what jockeying for position is all about. Except in contests where there is sometimes a priority buoy in place, jockeying for position is always going on. Again "Surfer closest to the curl has right of way."
I'm not saying it's set in stone but nearly as far back as I can remember "Snaking" has been referred to as taking off in front of the surfer who is up, riding, and closer to the breaking part of the wave. There are situations where it may be permissable, like when there is a section that the surfer in priority position isn't going to make in a million years or when the surfer in priority position calls you in = "Party Wave!"
While we're on the subject of priority and etiquette, what about the situation of various board lengths in the lineup where one surfer (typically on a longer board) gets to his feet first? I've heard it said that "First surfer to his feet has priority." I've argued that it's still the surfer closest to the breaking part of wave who has priority. Again, longboarders are at too much of an advantage in that case and the shortboarders would be left with scraps.
Bottom line is that in many crowded lineups, it's dog eat dog with few obeying any sort of rules.
Re: [MikeDaniel] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Cryptic and vague is my specialty....
But seriously, read this: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/surfblanks-yellow-vs-marko-2lb-e-ps
This thread is for side comments on that one.
And for crafty to have fun....
well the free kicks are over
Re: [crafty] apples and orange xx w t fxxxxxxx
Hey Huie,
Not sure what youre saying in your opening post but I like apples a bit more than oranges. Yum
what i am saying is you get a free kick or two then i get to answer you
belive me i have no agenda as a shaper for over 5 decades just saying what i feel
Surfding is a jolly good fellow!
Lets get freaky Ya'll! There's extra points.