Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

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Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

You seem to have broken my longboard when you routed those two fin boxes in to it.

Now when I surf this board it goes way too fast and turns with an abbreviated radius that causes large amounts of spray that disturb the local seals and gulls.

Do you think that if I dragged a bucket off my leash loop it might make it ride like it used to?

TT

TT

I just logged a few hours of the most phenomenal birthday surf at a right point setup with just myself and one friend..this board made a great session totally phenomenal...I can't believe the feel of this setup compared to the singles I've riddin in this board.

First wave comes...big outside set...hadn't really surfed this thing in anything over waist high and wasn't sure how the fin positioning was going to be. Paddle in, pop up and lean in to the bottom turn and the afterburners kick in!

Thanks again to you and David for all your help getting this thing setup for me.

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Re: [afoaf] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

So cool!

"Broken."  Heh.  I see what you did there.

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Re: [afoaf] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Well, I'm delighted that you had a good first session.       That setup always provides a more dramatic experience, if it is put into a board that the rider already has dialed in as a single, or other fin configuration.    That is when you really feel the changes in speed coming out of turns, and the crispness of cutbacks.   Your performance envelope just got bigger.    Always nice when that happens,eh?    And YES, the bucket will help you recover your prior performance level.

Bill Thrailkill
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Re: [Thrailkill] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

    Howzit Bill, Now that is one sweet set up. Did you have to rout 3 seperate box holes or 1 large enough for 3 boxes, inovation is one of the keys to advances in our trade and I love that one. Aloha,Kokua

Aloha, Kokua

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Re: [kokua] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Aloha Mike,

Good to hear from you.     The board was built by Tyler, as a single fin, and I dropped the two extra boxes in some time after he had ridden it as a single.   I don't think I'd like to tackle a three box set, at one time.    Too much chance of a hiccup.   I also did a 2 + 1, glass ons in 1964.    It was interesting, but did not confir any advantages to the performance of a 9' 6'' 30 pound surfboard.   Too loose, by the then standards of performance.    I came up with this twin setup in 1970, though I didn't bother to put it into a board until 2000.    No one else had blundered onto the concept, so I put two more boxes into an existing board, and went surfing.   It changed a very good board, into an exceptional board.   Thank you for the kind words.

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Re: [afoaf] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Bill, does this type of fin setup work on a particular type of board or does it seem to improve any type of single fin? Ever tried it on a Hull?

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Re: [tuna] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Tuna,

The first boards the setup was put into, are what people now define as '''hulls.''     In every instance, the performance of the board improved.     The fin setup WILL NOT make a poorly shaped/designed board perform beyond its design limitations.    It will however, allow a board to reach its potential.   In many instances a board is hampered by poor fin design, or improper fin placement.   

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Re: [Thrailkill] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Hey Bill!

You gotta love it when you get customers that ask to SLOW DOWN their boards............pussies.

Those years on sailboards made me get used to SPEED on waves.......big section? No problem, sheet in and crank a turn....lip bounce? How about rebounding off the lip for 30 feet?

I love your thinking outside the envelope...........it kinda lends insight to watching all the pro's riding the same damn board within an 1/16 of an inch.........yawn!

Note: The late BK (Bob Krause) had a twinnie like this dual box setup. No one ever really picked up on it even though he stated that it went real well.

Open your mind your ass will follow Eh??!! Good work!

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Re: [Thrailkill] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Hi Bill, I just rode my double fin for the second time. I can't really say if the board rides better or worse than it would as a single or a thruster. I can say that I haven't felt anything negative about the setup.

I don't have a leash on the board so I'm not really throwing it around. The waves have been small and slightly windy, and I've had fun riding the board. You might be right about the board gliding better and not bogging on the turns, but I'll have to ride it with a single to see the difference.

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Re: [Thrailkill] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Hi Bill, I just rode my double fin for the second time. I can't really say if the board rides better or worse than it would as a single or a thruster. I can say that I haven't felt anything negative about the setup.

I don't have a leash on the board so I'm not really throwing it around. The waves have been small and slightly windy, and I've had fun riding the board. You might be right about the board gliding better and not bogging on the turns, but I'll have to ride it with a single to see the difference.

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Re: [Thrailkill] Bill Thrailkill, you owe me a new surfboard

Thrailkill wrote:

In many instances a board is hampered by poor fin design, or improper fin placement.   

For those that have eyes to see and ears to hear.  Read Bill’s statement out loud and listen.  He’s given us all a piece of gold for free.

Gotta love that guy!

D.R.

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