Pumpkin Seed for fast, steep head high waves? Switch to Epoxy?

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Preface, I have read a bunch but honestly some of it is pretty technical, so simpler the better please. I'm intermediate and have only owned and ridden 4 different boards.

I am looking for a board for head high steep and fast waves. I surf the north of Chile and the waves are heavy so I also need something extra durable (repairs are slow and expensive here). I need to get into waves faster and I'm always trying to beat sections. Also, now learning to pull into tubes. I'm an intermediate surfer 5'8", 155 lbs. (I need a board that flies!) 

I currently ride a 6'2" x 18.50 2 2.38, Klimax Gabriel Villaran model. It's a little skinny for me. I'll be back in NY in December so I want to buy a board to bring back. I am considering going Epoxy (firewire, santa cruz).

Any suggestions for a board? 

Would the Pumpkin be a good fit or is it more for smaller waves? I'm considering this board because of durability, 5 fin option, width and volume for getting into waves faster. However, not sure how it would hold in bigger waves up to double over head sometimes. I don't have money for a step up board.

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Are there many shapers in your local area? Maybe you should pick up a hand full of blanks for the same price and begin your foray into building?  

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There is one, he's also the guy that takes 2 weeks to repair your fin plug. I personally don't see a future in shaping, plus I'd like something within the next few months. 

But let's talk price for a minute, SC Pumpkin (Epoxy) $654 with fins and board bag. Local NYC board, MOD (PU) by Salt $500. Repairs here average $30 if you want it fast. So with 5 repairs which I'd probably in 2 years I'm already paying for the SC Pumking assuming the Epoxy doesn't damage in situations that the PU would have.

Input is appreciated, one of the points of this post is to decide if making the switch to Epoxy is worth it, considering the unforgiving northern waves of Chile. The other point is to see if specifically anyone has input on the Pumpkin in head+ waves. 

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Wow slow down!! Price on a pumpkin seed?? Organic or GM? This threads destined for the swaylocks surfshop.  Welcome to the forum, mind your spelling and grammar, surfboard builders hate when you funk that stuff up :) 

Seriously though you should think about fixing your own boards, you'll learn a lot about the process and appreciate what it takes to do a good job.

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I agree on learning to do your own ding repair.  Its not all that complex, and there are lots of skilled people here that would be happy to share some insight into the process.


As far as the board review - you might try posting your question over at http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB4 if you don't get a response here.

"(Terry Martin) was always open to changing his technique, and felt that each shaper must do what works for that person;  you're better off discovering those things rather than mimicking anyone else." - petec

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maybe NJsurfer could hook you up he's in New jersy


you should PM him

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If you are going to NYC, look up some of the fine members of Swaylocks that area--I know there are at least a few that build amazing boards--why get a popout when you can get a custom? And at least some of these guys use epoxy.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking of swaylockians Tom Mahady (tjrm63) (http://www.mahadysurfboards.com/), Rick Malwitz (can't remember his user name) (http://www.malwitzsurfboards.com/), Kevin Cunningham (kevincc) (http://spiraresurfboards.com/). I know there are others out there that I'm forgetting--maybe someone else can chime in with others.

But for $600 bucks, do yourself a favor and get a custom board!

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Head high to double overhead, steep and fast for a novice/intermediate surfer isn't what the Pumpkin Seed was designed for.   You need a board with an agressive rocker for those kinds of waves.   If you're not getting in with your 6-2 then you may need more length and a little more width

You need at least two boards to cover the ranges you're talking about.   The fewer compromises you make the better each board will work for you.   

And you should definitely learn to do your own repairs.  If nothing else it will teach you to take better care of your boards and avoid more of those repairs from the outset.   

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pumpkin seed looks great for head high steep hollow waves. similar to what i ride to doh. epoxy/eps way more durable but do your own repairs. nose rocker can be as low as you like even in barrels. . pumpkin seed looks shit hot for the tube man..

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paulcannon wrote:

nice tube, looks good for a few seconds at least, water looks a greeny shade of cold !

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paulcannon wrote:


Sorry guys totally off topic. PAUL, is that a laminated bamboo perimeter stringer. Looks a fantastic board. 2pcf EPS?

Cheers,

Mart

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anybody see that footage of the Craig Anderson at Skeleton point on that tiny Hayden seed looking board? Saw some video on the intergiant somewhere, and he was all over it - in a good way.

Those little curvy, flat rockered boards are fun as hell, and with that rounded pin, and quad option, as super solid in hollow waves. I've made a few short and wide eggs as travel boards, and usually that's all I'd ride for the trip. So versatile makes me wonder why I bother with all the other junk I make...

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Thanks for the input guys, I'll try to contact come shapers and think about getting something custom instead. However, I feel like I'd have a hard time knowing what dimensions to choose. But I guess with my build 5'8" 155lbs and wave types, average head high and fast take offs I could get enough guidance. 

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mpconway86... I would suggest that there are a few ways you could go, each with their own set of advantages. Our beachbreaks here can get pretty heavy, even at head high, and there are a few proven designs you could choose from that all work. But numbers won't translate well alone... dimensions are a bit shortsighted. You really need to have a conversation with a shaper for the best possible shot at nailing exactly what you're after.

As for going with epoxy... well worth it, without a doubt. All of my personal boards are pressure molded EPS/epoxy, except for my gun and my log, where I like the added weight.

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I'll second that about chatting to your shaper.

Even if you don't know exact dimensions you want, etc, just give the broad overview to him, and he'll be able to decide the rest.

Just be honest with him re your ability, what you're gonna surf with it, etc.

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PS: Here is a photo from Magic Seaweed of a nice glassy day. http://magicseaweed.com/photoLab/viewPhoto.php?photoId=92260&browseSession=36d83a677f2485807846d79789f97ebf It get's bigger, but that's the size I'm usually working with. If you're really interested here is a few minute video of an average few days of surf at some other spots in Antofagasta, Chile, where I will be using the board. This city is known for the copper, and not the waves, but not bad though, right? Youtube video

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I much prefer a 'Sweet Potato' to a 'Pumpkin Seed', but have you considered the 'Bean'? It came from the 'Pod' and I believe they are in the 'Pea' family or is that the 'Sprout'?  Best eaten with a 'Spoon' or you can have any of them with a 'Cheese Stick', just put it all on a 'Biscuit' first, if you want them hot wack it all in the microwave and give em a 'Lazor Zap'.....  This could go on...but its probably not funny.....

Other Sufboard food name models??

Pig

Fish

Almond

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No offence mpconway86 but that photo from Magicseedonk is of a guy going straight accross a wave??  We couldn't tell the difference what vegtable he decided to take for a surf that day so lets just look at a picture of massive Cloud Break and wonder what to cook for dinner.....

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Arrrrg just looking at the image of that 2nd wave growing behind gets my heart pumping!!! I better go eat my spinach!!!

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The point is to show the type of waves I'll be riding, not the board. Thanks for all your great input, keep it coming!  

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Nice board Paul!!

Sorry mpconway86, I was taking the piss out of boards with food names.  Agreed with Paul on that type of board being 'great for head high steep hollow waves' very versatile too, if you went away with the misses and she only let you take one board in the car/plane that would be it.  I've done a few and ended up at this, I'm 6'0'' tall and about 75kgs, ride a 5'10'' x 19'' x 2 3/8''..get one...get two!!  Or make one..and make one for someone else!!

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Nice barrel shot Paul, lucky to live where you do.  I'd love to go to Chile one day too....Good luck with the board purchase mpconway!! Here's one at a much more populated place....

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.hi marty thankyou. the rail is carbon fiber woven into glass. the board is an eskimo foam blown eps and its a very good foam. much better then the pu blank they sell which i think are poor qaulity compared alongside a bennet . the eps however is very good and doesnt suck water . it is apparently 2 pound eps

hi marsh wheres that barrel looks good, guessing down south.

i feel lucky one afternoon we are hitting cornices and the next lips. great stuff

nz hardplate freecarving in spring

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on the groom

my mate in a contentious situation lol. no doubt the burn was well deserved. this is a nice tame wave imo allthough it does get a little rugged at times. a few of the other spots are not really photographed out of comon sense

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anyway wide low rocker boards work well in the tube. thin tails with lots of tail rocker good . thruster good. rounded pin good. deep single concave to flat or light single in the tail. plenty of volume up front to give paddle power for late drops. on your feet fast is the key. nose as low as 4 inches fine. get rid of the sharp f%cken point on the nose before it takes someones eye out . im just a journeyman in the tube btw but at least im not a spectator. this board design put me in the rotation.. all hail neal purchase junior

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one last thing mpconway86. go for the rack model you are looking at . get it in eps. and surf it to death and if it made a difference to your wave count then go to talk to a local shaper and tell him to make it the same or similar, only reinforced in the tail, nose and fins, and get it with glass fins not plastic.. i would not recomend going to a local shaper unless they make a board the same as the one you want to buy. but i guarantee most of them can not do this as they will try and talk you into what they think is best but dont actually have a f#cken clue what is best because they are not YOU. so they guy that trys to sell you some other design is a waste of time. these boards are best selling models for a reason btw. but they were not invented by the companies selling . they have only been made popular by them

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note the low rocker on marshes tube. the board is short with low rocker . this keeps his foot on the tail pad yet balanced in a forward trim. the further the you raise your back heel the further you can drop your back knee. this lowers your center of gravity without breaking at the hip . that way your center is low and perfectly centered . feet facing forward. this is how you retain front foot drive for high line tube riding and the key to a clean exit. pointing down in a front foot trim .and when you pop out you back foot is perfectly placed on the grip for the old switcharoo for a cutback on the shoulder. i personally belive that most people put the tail pad to far back btw especially on longer boards. i believe that shortboards should rarely be ridden at a length longer then a persons hight. 7 foot plus narrow heavily rockered mini guns are are an outdated design. they are unstable and dogs to paddle and they are tracky and they dont fit in the corolla

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Hey Paul the photo is of Winki around from Fairy Bower so right in the city (north side, Manly). But down south, the best reefs are crowded now through the week, weekends ridiculous.  This is due to awesome highways, higher populations and a total disregard for taking photos of what were once sacred places.  You guys are lucky to live in N.Z and Chile.

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I agree with you Paul on all levels except a well designed 6'10'' or 7'0'' + is still valid and needed to catch/ride a decent sized wave, of which I think Chile has a few?? 

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For me... wide, flat boards only work good in the tube if they're short. The longer they get, the more curve they need, both in the planshape and rocker.

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