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http://s202photobucket.com/albums/aa261/herbspitzer/spitzerfinlessinduct...

here's where you can view a few pics i have down loaded.

i'm still not sure how to just get the pics up without all the titles?

oh well give that a try.

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oopps

try this:

http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa261/herbspitzer/spitzerfinlessinduc...

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are you able to surf this board " normally " or is more of an alaia type ride ?

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just like a finned board............plus an unlimited amount of varibles too boot !

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Yeah Herb, the variables are unlimited... It would be nice to have the skills and access to high tech. computer simulations that would allow you to tweak this design without having to build 100 or 1000 prototypes to get the balance right....

I think that's why a lot of the "odd" and revolutionary surf designs were dropped in the past,  simply because there wasn't the tech. or disposeable cash to test  alternative designs...The shaper would have to shell out hard earned cash and time to build each proto.

 Look at the current reviews on ride quality of the majority of modern twin fin boards,,, and their resurection from the past,,, people know more now and apply that knowledge/tech.  to a fin set up that "looks the coolest" in my opinion...

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I LOVE it!!!

Looks like a very large twin-tip kiteboard..

I'm really interested in the induction holes, what angle seemed best? are they angled at all or are they perpendicular to the deck??

Does the water shoot up out of the induction holes as you surf??

What's your theory on the workings of the induction "port's" ?.... "Port's", I like the sound of that..lol

How did you arrive on the spacing of the holes?, and their distance off the rails?...... I'm sure the location of the holes could be tweaked  for each board and rider..

What bottom contours did you settle on??

If for any reason , you don't want to answer these questions, I will not be offended...

I can tell you thought / dreamed of this set-up for some time,, and you deserve  ALL  the credit for it......

I'd like to do a kite-surfboard rendition,, it looks like FUN!!

BTW.. if you post this on the Surfer Mag message board,, you'd better add lots of pictures and some  video, to please those there..  They're a youthfull,,, visually driven, "show me " bunch there, from what I can tell...

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i was thinking it looked like a wakeboard,.............................but ya,kiterider,you're right it looks like a kite board as well.

the induction ports are toed out,............................just the ops of multi-finned placements on surfboards. 

i'll get back to ya ,probably tomorrow,got to go for now...........family business/end of school year stuff.

til then

herb

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Herb.

Perhaps you should protect/patent this idea??......... I don't know...??

I've always been happy to let other kite-board builder friends know of my ideas, simply because that's all they are,,, ideas,,,, and dreams....

Your invention,,,, and I'll call it that,,,  because I've never seen anything similar,  would be a BLAST to try on a twin-tip kite board... Just think no fins, just induction ports and complimentary rails and outlines....

Thank you... Herb............")

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as you read this:it is trademarked and at the patent office(for a patent pending)in washington.

if anyone tries to copy my design(induction ports) for profit.

i can alert the man and have them shut down immediately!

plus own all the products(induction boards) they produce.

i was also advised not to expose the design any further until.............

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HerbSpitzer wrote:

as you read this:it is trademarked and at the patent office(for a patent pending)in washington.

if anyone tries to copy my design(induction ports) for profit.

i can alert the man and have them shut down immediately!

plus own all the products(induction boards) they produce.

i was also advised not to expose the design any further until.............

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Hey Herb.

You do what you have to do...

It was a fun read while it lasted..

I'm going to try it on a small twin-tip kiteboard built for personal use... If I end up selling the board at some point, you can send "the man" after me... I hope he likes to travel.....lol

Now, back to our original program.......

P.S.  You're welcome for the  use of the "ports" label  you've undoubtedly identified your holes  with in said trademark.... My pleasure.....

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i wish i could let more go.

i really wanted to go to the ab3 today and ride it,and let others take a toke as well.

it's a high.........no doubt........a really high,high for me.

as far as personnal use/building i can't stop that,and in time....... i will help/guide others to build there own,as well as........... venturing into the development of the craft further............like i said in the past,it's only the beginning.

if i was a big fin mfg. today...............i'd be thinking about buying me out and burying the design to keep my place in the surfing world....jk......lol...........hummm.......maybe not?

herb

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HerbSpitzer wrote:

the induction ports are toed out,............................just the ops of multi-finned placements on surfboards. 

herb

Weird -- so I guess you tried them toed in, too.  

Did you try bigger ones?  I've been thinking a lot about this thing -- I wonder about slots, like the length of a fin base, and I was wondering about putting them where the rail fins would be, and then a couple of small holes at the corners... man, but when's the video coming??!?!

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Cool! What do they suck? Air or water.

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hiya herb !!


 


  unfortunately for some reason the photos won't show for me


 


  a pity , because i was just thinking to myself the other day "i wonder what superchargerman  has been up to lately?"


  cheers


 


  ben

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pool toy!  (just kidding)

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huckleberry wrote:

Wow: I forgot all about that Batman episode. I really got a good chuckle out of it.

    Thanks

pool toy!  (just kidding)

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Herb.

I'd cut my induction ports from  hollow carbon fiber tube, and glue it into the core on the angles best suited to each board...

I assume you shaped, drilled out, then glassed foam, to seal each hole for the induction area???

Mitered, carbon tubes, glassed into the core might be a quicker install, and  a more accurate hole/port layout...

Just speculating, ,,lol,,,      Sorry,,,,,,,,, just very stoked on your concept.....

Bottom contours.........  What's right???   Single concave,,, flat,,,  double con or V bottom?       Would you add Bonzer like channels to compliment the port's ??

WOW !!...........Lot's to think about!!

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Where do those holes on the rail apex lead to, Herb?? Oh and I'd cut those tubes from PVC stock!  

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Herb, is it a photo illusion, or do each of the induction ports increase in their toe angles as the move up from the tail?  Looks wild.  Done a longboard with it yet?

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yes they do,chris.

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no chris,

i've only the one.

call me or stop by.

we got to meet up.

work in progress on the next model.

btw. to all concerned,

bill thrailkill is now licenced to build my design.

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Hey Herb - Or anyone kind enough to help out...

Would someone please the pics be put up on "tinypic.com" - I can't get on "photo bucket" through my server...  And the suspense is killing me.

TaylorO

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Thanks tons Janklow - 

Love to see video of it being ridden...

TaylorO

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Nearly forty years ago I remember seeing a board (possibly a Bing or a Hansen) in a shop in Mantoloking NJ, with ports simular to Herbs.  They were more towards the middle of the deck and the board had fins.

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I wonder what would happen if they went the other way and the water was forced up thru the bottom and out the deck like this....


[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/blow.jpg[/IMG]


 The thin boundary layer could be constantly sheered off giving grip. 


 [IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/toobes.jpg[/IMG]


Put thees tubes at the end of the channels on this type of finless boards...


[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/derekHyndFinlessBoard....


[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/infinity-6.jpg[/IMG]


So then the water runs along the channels and exits up thru the board allowing the tail to be drawn down into the water.


 


 


 


 

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you're thinking,

my board does both...................take another look.

herb

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HerbSpitzer wrote:


you're thinking,


my board does both...................take another look.


 


herb



 Theres not a lot of detail to look at but I saw the rail holes that would draw water in...


[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/pic2.jpg[/IMG]


 


But is the board meant to go in both directions so each end would alternately suck air in at the front and blow spray out the back holes ? As well as the rails ?


[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/flow.jpg[/IMG]


 Any variations on port dims ?

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surffoils wrote:

 Any variations on port dims ?

Remember, he is under a "gag order" pending patent completion... Shhhhhhhh....

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