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Didnʻt we try Mexico with the Fords and the Volkswagen assembly line a while back; guess it didnʻt work out; maybe too many job openings in the cartel or maybe Mexico just wasnʻt ready for the Yankee lifestyle; is there really hope for a rerun?; Iʻm all for improving the neighborhood but at this point but it seems like we traded egg foo young for the good ole burrito; alas,ʻ we are trying to solve problems that may be out of reach at this time; but there is hope and there are good people fighting the good fight and we support you guys all the way.....Okay...letʻs go surfing and cleanse the mind and rebound with more good ideas....

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Ah well, wishful thinking. Guess I just have to stay outta politics and refocus on FUN.

So in that light, I will not worry about China shipping the world as I just met with a domestic distributor that can return the favor. I don't think anyone will worry too much because I don't have 2400 employees like the Cobra Factory or dormitories for workers to live in next to all those Chinese factories.

Instead I have this:  The one foto is of the 6'2" I made for Evan, a graduating senior at the local high school. His mom Krista, has 3 sons and rides a Stoker that her boyfriend got from me for her birthday. So they now have 4 SVM's in a family of five, and are saving up for another. The note is what I found in my mailbox yesterday, and for me that is the biggest "tip" I can receive. 

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VERY NICE WORK!

FEW CAN DO IT ALL AS YOURSELF!

Kind regards,

surfding

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I've paid my dues

Time after time

I've done my sentence

But committed no crime

And bad mistakes

I've made a few

I've had my share of sand kicked in my face

But I've come through



We are the champions - my friends

And we'll keep on fighting - till the end

We are the champions

We are the champions

No time for losers

'Cause we are the champions - of the world



I've taken my bows

And my curtain calls

You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it



I thank you all



But it's been no bed of roses

No pleasure cruise

I consider it a challenge before the whole human race

And I ain't gonna lose



We are the champions - my friends

And we'll keep on fighting - till the end

We are the champions

We are the champions

No time for losers

'Cause we are the champions - of the world

meant in a good way haaa''    good stuff bruce

 cheers huie



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Thanks Huie.

For those who like to think outside the box and share my optimism, check out the video I saw on Netflix that you can load or stream instantly.

"Future by Design" a story about a brilliant futurist named Jacque Fresco

Or try googling "The Venus Project".

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deadshaper wrote:

Thanks Huie.

For those who like to think outside the box and share my optimism, check out the video I saw on Netflix that you can load or stream instantly.

"Future by Design" a story about a brilliant futurist named Jacque Fresco

Or try googling "The Venus Project".

oblivious  to all our woes.

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"Oblivious to all our woes".

There is a supposition from intelligent men that we create therefore wallow in our own misery.

This can be individual or collective.

An optimist wakes up each morning excited to see what challenges and joys the day will bring.

The pessimist, who more often than not, labels himself a realist, trudges thru yet another day.

Surfing is at its best when you are in the moment without nary a worry nor concern for yesterday, today or tomorrow... after all, they may all be happening at once anyway.

The problem with much of society is being problem fixated versus solution oriented.

Like if I had just said "Society is solution oriented"...... the "problem" would already have been eliminated!

Since the energy of one individual varies greatly and can be dissuaded easily by myopic special interests of others, it makes sense that a stronger more vibrant collective good be enforced and reinforced to produce a result.

If you are talented or intelligent, why not use it?

Otherwise.......... who needs it?

In the meantime, go surfing to recharge the batteries from the rigors of living with gravity.

Enuff of that crap...... let's get back to what really matters


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Hi deadshaper,

Well, I don't think you changed my mind.  Plus, you won't get my vote for president.  Interesting musings, nevertheless.   Getting back to surfboards.  The Stoker V Machines look like a blast.  The kind of board I like to ride.  Thanks for all your input and sharing of board knowledge, too.  Mike

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No worries. I bet I surprised you with my fresh and novel approach to world affairs. If anything my ridiculousness is probably at least as worthwhile considering as all the bullshit rhetoric that we are fed each and every day of our lives from low caliber individuals that gravitate toward 'leading' the country. Peep shows and trillions of dollars of debt will be their legacy for our children to inherit and spend their lives paying for the blunders and/or corruption of self righteous idiots up on Capitol Hill. My friends in Panama say "it's easier to live under a dictator, at least you know what you're getting".....

In contrast, along with paying my taxes, I might be remembered by a few surfers for providing them some pleasant memories of riding a surfboard they truly have fun on. 

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deadshaper wrote:

No worries. I bet I surprised you with my fresh and novel approach to world affairs. If anything my ridiculousness is probably at least as worthwhile considering as all the bullshit rhetoric that we are fed each and every day of our lives from low caliber individuals that gravitate toward 'leading' the country. Peep shows and trillions of dollars of debt will be their legacy for our children to inherit and spend their lives paying for the blunders and/or corruption of self righteous idiots up on Capitol Hill. My friends in Panama say "it's easier to live under a dictator, at least you know what you're getting".....

In contrast, along with paying my taxes, I might be remembered by a few surfers for providing them some pleasant memories of riding a surfboard they truly have fun on. 

Hey DS.  I'm getting too old to be surprised.  The rest of this paragraph is spot on.  Maybe I will vote for you.  Mike

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Great thread D.S.

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Just like a heavy object, bad ideas and bad people will sink to the bottom and good ideas and people will rise to the top; just a matter of time; patience and a good attitude will be our saving grace; meanwhile, letʻs create more artificial reef breaks to help with overcrowding!!!

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The only running I will do is to where the water is warm and the living is easy..... and a ship can drop off some blanks once in awhile.

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deadshaper wrote:

The only running I will do is to where the water is warm and the living is easy..... and a ship can drop off some blanks once in awhile.

haaa bruce  thats me


  oh nice board  by the way

 cheers huie

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Here's something new we are playing with. This is a look at the past with some refinements from that era of transition from logs to shorties. This angle is very deceiving as looking from the tail end gives you an entirely different picture and perspective of what this vehicle is all about. 

More later.

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Here's the 'new' idea we are working on after reviewing some of the 1967 thru 1969 stuff that went down as we transitioned from logs to shorties. This is headed to the beach for testing as we speak.......

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8-4......Muy Similar

[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/w86rk8.jpg[/IMG]

 Have since added a middle fin box.....ride it both as twinny and single......a favorite......works good prone,knee and standup.......

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Cools............ yours = more parallel and obvious different fin strategy.

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I'd love to ride em both!

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Right on....... think about gutless 1 to 3 foot slop.......... then you get on this puppy with a 20" tail......... yeah, as wide or wider than most guys boards...... lol. 

Fast doesn't even begin to describe it. 

All on a day that most people are under water, cruising on logs, or holding a paddle in their hands.

Think about it.

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I can see it'd turn pretty good too!.

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I was also thinking 2-3 slop... and I was thinking of a certain kelpy low tide slop spot I know of, so stick on one of those low keel-like "kelp fins", and let 'er slide!  - very cool looking stick DS!

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Thank you. Yes, kelp fins....... makes sense. Necessity is the mother of invention. I put "the trip" onto Facebook and got a bunch of responses from people that were.......... well................. tripping on the board's look and design. Some flashed back to an early day McTavish V Bottom they owned, others were "confused" at what they were looking at. One asked if what they were seeing was a stripped down board from an earlier era. 

The board left with Stoker at 8:00 A.M. this morning and headed toa beach for testing that was showing 3 to 5 foot surf. The consensus from Stoker and his friend Corbett, was that the 10" single fin was way too flexy but the board rode incredibly well in spite of the twangy fin. The next go out was as a tri fin with RTM fins but the 15" box had to have a 7" twangy polycarbonate fin that also provided for "tail wobble". We went with what we had, so lesson learned but easy to remedy. "When in doubt, trust fiberglass".

Most of the '67 to '69 V (vee) bottoms were using 11" to 13" high aspect fins that were predominantly influenced by Greenough. The Mike Hynson High Performance fin was also used, but later on riders started opting for smaller Greenough Stage fins as small as 9.75". 

When I talked to Stoker tonight, I suggested a flatter stiffer springy flex fin that had more of what I call a "power hungry" tip with more rake than the high aspect fins. The flatter foil provides  more resistance, but also more leverage. Flatter foils in single fins allow the rider to push harder against it without spinning out.  With more rake, the fin can be pushed further forward but the increased area in the tip provides hold while the flex and rake provide drive. Larry Allison is the #1 kind of guy to make such a fin. Chuck Ames could be another possibilty, but I don't know how plugged in True Ames is to making one offs anymore?

There was a comment that the board might turn easy, and yes, it definitely did. Corbett got an inside rail grab while looking like a skater hitting the coping. Just imagine that.... on what many surfers riding potato chips would consider this board an "impossible beast" too immense to consider capable of high performance. 

What can I say, and how many times can I say it?

"Open your mind, your ass will follow".

If you ever learn anything on Swaylocks, it should be that true designers learn to jettison preconceived notions aside and park their egos at home when they go to work. Only then can you sustain the ability to be a dry sponge always willing to soak up new ideas, be willingto  take a chance, build something just because.........even  risk ridicule and not give a flying f-ck becuz you just might hit on something that excites the senses and provides an imaginative ride versus the same old same old.

Stagnation is the enemy of every true designer! 

The board heads to Hawaii tomorrow. No doubt any number of Stoker's Waikiki beachboy friends will be riding this board as a shortie for them........... some of those beachboys eat more than their fair share of poi.

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That was a great post.  Thanks, hope you don't mind that I quoted you for my new tagline.

"(Terry Martin) was always open to changing his technique, and felt that each shaper must do what works for that person;  you're better off discovering those things rather than mimicking anyone else." - petec

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I"m honored.............run with it.

One minor clarification regarding flat foils and spin out. It might be more correct to say the rider can push harder against the fin up to the point of spin out.

Larry will know what I'm talking about.

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deadshaper wrote:

"Open your mind, your ass will follow".

If you ever learn anything on Swaylocks, it should be that true designers learn to jettison preconceived notions aside and park their egos at home when they go to work. Only then can you sustain the ability to be a dry sponge always willing to soak up new ideas, be willingto  take a chance, build something just because.........even  risk ridicule and not give a flying f-ck becuz you just might hit on something that excites the senses and provides an imaginative ride versus the same old same old.

Stagnation is the enemy of every true designer! 

Hah, my boards fit into this category. My brother is constantly making fun of them because they are so unconventional. Not all of the ideas work, and sometimes they don't work with other ideas, but when you get it right it's worth the ridicule.

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Victory favors the brave.

We learn from our mistakes, if we were right all the time, we wouldn't learn nuthin.........

DS

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DS,

Got to ride a few this AM on the new "Secret Weapon" with Snowman and Stoker. Surfed Ala Moana Bowls after the early morning crew went to work. Randy is stoked with the board and was catching waves as if on a 10-0 board! I got 4 or 5 on  the "SW" ......yea.....would be a nice addition to any Quiver. He had it set up as a single with a TA's flex fin......be fun to experiment with different fin arrangements and sizes etc. 

Roger

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Thanks for the update......... glad you guys connected. Yeah the fin is pretty key when riding it as a single fin....... which I think is more natural to the design than a tri fin. I'm pretty sure Stokies running a 9.75 Greenough Stage IV.?

I'm thinking about fin designs on this puppy and a flat foiled twanger flex with more tip and rake could be a lot of fun too. If you look back at the old vee bottoms that were getting shaped in OZ circa 1967 thru '69, they were putting high aspect fins as deep as 13" on them! The Hynson High Performance fin was also part of the mix. 

Those boards were pretty wild including stuff like Keyo "the Virgin" (1967) shaped by Neil Purchase, The "Robert Connelly Spaceship" from Hayden Surfboards, G&S vee bottom, Shane, WM Surfboards, of course  McTavish and Midget's, and George Price had a vee bottom but narrower tail on some of those. 

Stoker's board is not a DEEP VEE like those were. He asked me to tone that down and put a lower rail in the back. The deep vees of yesteryear had softer tail rails by a mile.......... hence the need for a deep penetrating fin, high aspect or not.

You probably noticed the step deck I put on Stoker's. I took that board out of a 9'8" Yater blank and it had one blobby deck line on it. I had to do one hell of a lot of reconstructing on that blank to get something that looked right to me. As I have it now , it makes the nose thickness one foot back, a wee bit more than a modern day shortboard!

The step deck (I made it mild so as too kinda sneak it in with that color design to take the eye away from it (I like fooling people) is my homage to the Yater Spoon that I grew up on. As you said, the thing paddles like a ten footer, well that nose has got one heck of a lot of LIFT in it and a straight bottom rocker in the nose like the Spoon....... they were straight and nose trim speed was sweet for Rincon and lined up waves. The SWING WEIGHT is way reduced too. 

Everyone thinks the Spoon was all about flexing straight when you got on the nose, but as I recall, I think Renny told me his focus was more about reduceing the swing weight of the nose. either way, they did both and the lift feature was the cherry on top.

The tail end of Stoker's board has got the chamfered tailblock ala McTavish and the OZ boys. The hip back there too is pretty cool at a hair under the 20" mark. Plane up, drop in, turn on!

Kinda like Leary's "tune in, turn on, drop out"?................... LOL

Aloha. 

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E Deashaper; ready to rekindle some political unrest?; was watching Democracy Now this morning and the latest, Obama, the "Black Rat", bypasses a perfect candidate [ a wahine] for one of his male cronies to head the Consumer Protection Agency; Ralph Nader was shredding Obama who diserves every bit of the heat; what a disappointment Obama is!!! and hopefully his buddy Rupert Murdoch will get his ass fried also but I doubt it; too much power and money involved; eh, f@#k it, letʻs go surf or work on boards; but some good food for thought and another good rant eh?

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