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    Can someone post a step by step how to, on the method with 50% vinegar, 50% alcohol. Very interested in making this part of my routine in prevention. I think this would be a valuable resource. Thank you.

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Don't know that method but do know that for prevention docs pro plugs really work. Used to be agony at times, and was getting worse year on year, been using pro plugs for 2 blissful years of no earache now

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Robb_ wrote:

Don't know that method but do know that for prevention docs pro plugs really work. Used to be agony at times, and was getting worse year on year, been using pro plugs for 2 blissful years of no earache now

+1 and I use to lose them too until I got a swivel hook and to attach my plugs and then hook to my wetsuit zipper.

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My doctor noticed one of my ears slightly closing up (I'm 33) and he told me what the Navy seals use. 1/3 Water, 1/3 alcohol, 1/3 vinegar. The alcohol evaporates the water already in there, the water keeps your ear moist, the vinegar prevents fungal growth. He told me put a drop in each ear before and after a session. Leave the drops in for 30 seconds. I always forget to put them in before but always put them in after and it really does help.

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Sorry to tell you this, but drops will not prevent surfer's ear.  Surfer's ear is caused by exposure to cold water.  To prevent surfer's ear you need to keep your ears warm- use plugs and a hood.  I've had no luck with Doc Pro Plugs.  I lose them.  I use "Earplanes" but they are uncomfortable after a while.  The hood is my best option (even if it makes me look like a squid).

I've had one ear drilled and as for the other, the Doc says, "Anytime you're ready..."   It's 90% obstructed.

The Doc did advise the 50% rubbing alcohol, 50% distilled white vinegar as a way of preventing ear infections.  When you have surfer's ear the ocean water and its accompanying bacteria can get trapped more easily in your ear.  The way I understood it was- I can put off the surgery as long as I want. As long as there is enough of an opening for the surgeon to see the ear drum while drilling, the surgery is pretty fail safe.  It gets dicey if the ear canal is so closed that the surgeon can no longer see the ear drum.  Then there is the risk of drilling into the ear drum which, as you can imagine, is a very bad scenario.  So I'm kind of at that point.

The really bad case scenario according to my Doc is if I get an ear infection in my bad ear.  The swelling can cause the ear canal to swell shut, making treatment with antibiotic drops impossible. The infection gets worse. If oral anti biotics don't work (and they are less effective than the drops) then they are forced to operate under the bad case scenario- unable to see the ear drum.  For that reason I always use the drops.

 

By the way, my Doc was the late  Dr. De la Cruz at the House Ear Institute.  I guess the House Ear Institute is highly respected in the field.

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yep. cold wind and cold water will create this growth in the ear. best remedy is plugs plus hood. i use 97% rubbing alcohol to help dry out any water that may get in there. this system has worked for me for about 25 years now-that's the last time i visited an ear doc. i had  an infection due to trapped water. he wanted to drill then and there but i told him i'd rather try some preventive measures first and 25 years later still doing ok. keeping them covered from wind and water best you can is key. also, with prevention you can retard the growth in the ear.

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I use a hood (squid lid) when its cold, silicone plugs more or less all the time  (I never could get a comfortable fit with the Doc's plugs)

http://www.macksearplugs.com/products/pillow-soft-earplugs-6-pair-value

and a Mack's ear dryer when I get out of the water:

http://www.dryear.net/How_the_DryEar_Ear_Dryer_Works_s/26.htm

have avoided the surgery so far...

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 Doc’s pro plugs work! But you need to be sized! Most surf shops have the kit, it’s a little weird to get use to them but now I don’t even swim in a pool without them! I’ve had the operation 3x ….not fun


 

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Thanks for the replies. Kokua you out there? I know you responded to a similar question before, the description given was a little hard to make sense of, for me. In a step-by-step manner.

    I just got a full suit and I notice the hood traps some water and then suctions to my head which I feel is trapping the water in my ear. I hate to use plugs, but I guess I'll get used to it. I like to be able to hear in the lineup, but better safe than sorry I guess.

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   Hozit pico,I am here and ready to help. First off the drops will work and Herb is living proof other that it works. The thing is to get a big ear bulb syringe and while showering fill it with water that is hot but not burning hot since you want to clean the wax out of the ear with it as the first step. Then when you get out of the shower use the dropper full of mix and put in the ear and let it get down into the ear canal as deep as posible, hopefully to the drum. after about 30 seconds flip you head so it can drain out and do he other ear the same way. If your ears are really bad do this every day for months or at least every other day. The vinegar eats away the calcium growths( bony growths) and the ears need to have no wax so it can soak into the canal flesh and get to the bone. The alcohol dries the water. My ENT checked mine and told me he could see he scar tissue from where the growths had been and he was the same ENT who 30 years earlier wanted to take pictures and put them in a medical journal because they were so bad. I never knew how long it took for the mix to work because it was 10 years before I went to another ENT for a hearing check and he told me my ears looked clear. It was Herb who told me it took only 3 months and his were already half cleared already and his ENT wanted to know what he was doing because it was working great and non invasive. To have Herb tell me how fast it was working was great news to hear and great to know he was getting better. I have a nephew who has ear problems and I make it up for him and he swears by it as the only thing that works. Ask Bill T.about it since he is a believer and uses it. I have always been into alternative treatments and Hawaiian healing herbs and there are cures out there that blow away western medicine treatments and drugs off the map. There is a herb that most think is a weed that grows all over that will get rid on staph infection faster than any shot or anti biotic on the market and I am trying to get it to grow here from seed but may have to get some and transplant it but I want it growing where I live. It is also used for gout and many other things and just tastes good in salads. Its a plantain and the indians turned the pilgrams on to it for medical help way back then. I do know that some of the strong ear med drops will stop working after to much use and then there is nothing left to use as far as the doctors are concerned. I try to stay away from anti biotics and until I had the cancer ops I had gone went 40 years with out using them.Feel free to get in touch any time. I have a chiropractor friend who calls me the local witch doctor.Aloha,Kokua 

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The ear dryer looks cool. My ENT told me not to put anything in my ear, but just use the hair dryer on low to dry out my ears after every session. 

I wear a hood when it's cold, but I hole punched about three holes on each side so the water can drain out. 

I also am going to start wearing one ear plug and alternate ears, so I can hear somewhat when I surf (learned that from a student of mine). 

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the ear dryer is rechargable, so handy in the car.  Blows warm air in cycles until your ears are dry.  I sometimes use drops, but the warm air always works.

I usually only put a plug in one ear (the side with the worst damage) and that helps hear out of the other ear.

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I've always used Blu Tack if I wanted to keep my ears dry.

Isn't half the reason you get surfers ear is from cold weather/air blasting you all the time? and that is why the bone grows?

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marsh wrote:


I've always used Blu Tack if I wanted to keep my ears dry.


 


Isn't half the reason you get surfers ear is from cold weather/air blasting you all the time? and that is why the bone grows?



 


My left ear is 85% closed and my right is about 60% closed.


 


If you surf in England for a while, you WILL get surfer's ear, I believe. I don't know many people who ahven't these days now I think about it.


 


I heard that the surgery itself is not that effective anyway, as the bone will grow back over time,even after surgery.


 


I've resigned myself to the fact that I cannot go in any water, even dip my head in the bath, without water getting in and being unable to drain. I have to say-Blue Tack is by far and away the best stuff I have ever used in my ears! I must have tried a dozen different plugs, blobs of silicone etc, before someone turned me on to the Tack.  I've never needed anything else since. Really, very cheap as well.


 


Is the brand name just an Oz/UK thing or can you get it in other parts of the world? If you can, I really suggest anyone try it, it works a treat.

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    Howzit Strychnine, What is Blue Tack,never heard of it. Just keep in mind that the vinegar/alcohol mix is a proven cure also. Aloha,Kokua

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Hi Kokua,


That herb sounds pretty interesting - I get gout (off topic i know!) whenever my diet gets away from me and just wondered if you had any more info? ( the pills that help me are pretty heavy on the stomach!)


Does anyone get tinnitus (ringing in the ears) from surfers ear or just being in the waves and wind???


I get it pretty bad the past year - but i work a lot with music too and that doesn't help either....


cheers....

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     Thanks to Kokua, as well as all others who replied. Much appreciated. Plantains huh. Pretty tasty too. Love to do a seed swap. Though it gets pretty chilly up here.

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   Howzit pico, The plantains I am referring to are not the ones like bananas, but a leaf. Go to the library and find a book on medicinal herbs and see if they show a plant named Lokahi since that is the Hawaiian name for it. If they don't show lokahi then look up plantain leaf. Back in the 70's I took a trip up north ( actually stopped in Bodega bay and ate) and on the way home we took Hwy 1 and pulled over to loo at the ocean and I looked down and there it was growing just on the other side of the railing. I don't think the cold is a factor since it grows in Canada and every state in the US. I thinkmy problem was trying to start it in temps over 110 degrees and the wrong type of dirt. I don't think we even have plain old dirt here just desert. When it comes to treating gout I am not really sure how it i prepped since you can eat it right off the plant or pull the whole plant with the roots and dry it and make tea and drink that. If you scrape the bark off a lehua flower plant and makea poultice from it, you acn apply it to a tooth ache and it will not only stop the pain but it will kill the root which kills the tooth. when you think about the most painful part of a root canal it he part where they kill the root, this would be a painless way to start the process. Maybe try googling Hawaiian medicinal herbs. Aloha,Kokua

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I have Docs Pro Plugs which are pretty good but I'm not totally convinced by them. I've gone back to using White Tack - same as Blu Tack but softer which is better for cold temps - and it is the only thing that I know of that definitely stays in your ear and keeps them warm too and the water out. In mid winter the water is 6 degrees here and the wind can be biting cold so kind of needed!! 

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Pico,

You are on the right track but don't mix anything. Use the alcohol first to dry out any water. Next pour in White distilled vinegar. Do this every time you exit the water. It prevents fungus growth which is the cause of your pain. It does nothing for bone growth.

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   Howzit huesos, I have to disagree about the vinegar not helping with the bony growths since even my ENT doctors will agree that vinegar is a great calcium killer(even used for artritis). And it is proven that the mixture works even if they are mixed together and not use seperartely as you advise. I will say to each his own when it comes to healing but having you need to have people who will backup your statements and themix has quite a few here on Sways that will atest to the fact it works. I am not saying that not mixing doesn't work but I will say that the vinegar is like an acid to the calciuum and will eat away the bony growths. I am one who has been one who it worked for and to thi dys still use the mixture with great results and then we have Herbs Doctor who was blown away by the results after only a few months of use. Aloha,Kokua

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My first exposure to the mixture was when it was dispensed to me by a DOCTOR, at EWA CLINIC.    It was in a bottle, with the label, AAA Otic.    That was 1967.

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    Howzit Bill,Iwas hoping you would step up and post on this thread because I know you are one of the people who knows this mix works and to hear that a doctor gave it to you is even better evidence it works. Sometimes people just don't want think think the simple things can work better than a high priced script. I had to explain to my nephew just the other day that his high tech antibiotic ear drops will stop working after he builds up immunity and there is nothing else on themarket to treat it. Funny thing is he has used the MIx in the past and it worked for him but he is to lazy to get a small bottle ,eye dropper and make up the mix. Like they say you can lead a horse to water but can't makehim drink. When I was going through my cancer thing the doctors were a little surprized I healed so well and fast. I told them I had not used antibiotics in over 25 years and they told me that could be part of the reason why the antbioyics worked so well. Aloha,Kokua

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I had ear problems from the late 60's until Proplugs came out - now I buy them 3 packs at a time, never without them whether surfing or swimming laps ( 4 different sizes, so find the right size for you), and rarely have any water in the ear problems, and no ear infection in over 3 decades.

If I do manage to get a bit of water in the ear I use Macks ear dryer, works as good as advertised - a rare thing.

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just tried the drops this evening, both ears... my right ear has been bothering me after surfs lately and getting worse... here's hoping

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    Howzit chris, Good for you for trying the mix. Did you clean your ears first with a bulb syringe? You want to keep the canal clean and clear. Some times if it is just a minor thing lie a dirty ear canal one time will bring relief but if you have a real problem then yu need to keep cleaning and using the mix for it to work. Rome wasn't built in a day.Aloha,Kokua

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nah, didn't do the ear bulb thing but will when i take a shower... i'm going to make it a regular routine too. thanks for the info Kokua

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     Howzit chris, Cup your hand against your stomach to catch the warm/hot water and fill the bulb syringe so when you flush you can squeeze the bulb hard to get some good pressure to clean the ear canal. Like I've said beore if you don't clean the canals the vinegar can't penetrate the canal flesh and get to the boney growths and disolve them. You will see the wax clumps either on the shower floor or even on your shoulder.Good luck and don't stop using the mix. Aloha,Kokua

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Hi Kokua,


The remedy appears to have worked after 4 months and approx. 35ml of solution.


A few years back I had to go to an ear specialist because of an ear infection and he said my left ear had closed up quite a bit. He gave me a solution called Aqua Ear, that was supplied to the Australian Institute of Sport. It also contains Isopropyl Alcohol and acetic acid. So that made me feel more confident with the 50/50 Alcohol and vinegar.


I got a bottle of Isopropyl Alcohol, I think it was 70%, and some clear distilled vinegar, which said 5% acid on the bottle and mixed it up 50/50. Now after about 4 months of applying it once or twice a day, water is starting to flow in and out of my ear like a torrent, where as before it used to get stuck in my ear and take ages to clear if at all. The doctor said that was due to ear closure not wax build-up.


I'll still use ear plugs though. Only problem was I got a bit sensitive to lowed noised about a month ago, but have got used to it.


Anyway for my purposes it has worked. I'd need to go and see a specialist to verify any changes.


Anyone else have any success?


 

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     Howzit claude, I am so glad to hear it worked for you. I know that Herb Spitzer said it worked for him after a few months. I still use it my self  for maintainence and I use ear plugs also because 1 of my ear canals is naturally narrowerr than the other. Now just don't stop since your ears will only get better if you keep using it. The best part is there is no invasive surgery or having to stay out of the water . Darn just reading your post makes me feel good and I wish there was a way that we could get every surfer with ear problems the info about using it. Aloha,Kokua

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kokua wrote:


'' ...I wish there was a way that we could get every surfer with ear problems the info about using it.''



I've been telling people about it since 1967.    It it so simple, and inexpensive, that people don't believe that it can work.   Sad, eh?

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