Only way to know what works for YOU is to try it personally!
Handboard as opposed to bare hands, you make more waves, you can climb to the top to hit concave walls, and you go down the line farther with each wave.
Countering that, if you don't remember to grab wrists, sometimes big pushtrus can wretch your shoulders, and big wipeouts can leave you worried about elbows and shoulders of handboard side. Just toss, they have leashes too.
With handboard, you lose out on natural freestyle stroke, so paddling speed is not quite as fast....countered by slightly easier wave catching, as you can really weight the single concave handboards and "pull" yourself into larger waves easily.
Loved my handboard, back in the days before spongers came and took over just about every break.
The downside was that if you ride a lot of closeouts, sooner or later the damn thing will come back at your face, or twist your arm pretty good.
But they do give a lot more speed. Makapuu, Sandy Beach, Pipeline... I could get up and ride on the just the handboard, plus legs from the knee down, sometimes just on handboard and two Duck Feet SXL fins. But I was in considerably better condition then.
I am big on using handboards that are small. I don't like having to do underwater takeoffs when it is big and handboards make it fun for dropping in on steep sections and still holding in with good speed. If a handboard is too big than it makes it hard for me to rotate from my back to my stomach without it getting in the way.
This is the best handboard I have ever used that i made from an broken fin i used to use for backpacking on the Napali. has a little flex in it and not a lot of bouyancy just a good planing surface and you can make a hell of a pull with it to get in.
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
great way to break your wrist. any one see the bodysurfingcontest with mike stewart on Nbc on sunday? it was at pipe and there were no hands boards, the conditions weren't great tho.
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
the best waves are really bowly ones that are still hollow but peel slowly. my favorite method is no fins or board, speedos are good too. there is absolutely no drag and once you get into a wave its alot easier to make it out of the barrel.
ive been using this little 10x14" speedo kickboard. its made of soft bendable foam so you just grab the front with your hand and use it like a hand board. it flexes on wipeout so you dont ruin your shoulders and when it hits you in the face it bounces off. best handboard ive ever used. used it in some good doubel overhead newport point and had some guy wanting to trade his hard handboard for it. it makes it so much easier to get waves, i am way bummed whenever i forget to bring it with me to the beach.
if its closed out shorebreak i dont bother with the handboard, it just gets in the way and after all, your only goal is to get inside the barrel, not to really go anywhere. if its makeable surf then i love the handboard, its fun to be right in the curl with it and go forever like that.
LOVE bodysurfing but handboard? .... maybe in small waves, where they'd probably be most effective anyway. Big stuff though, not for me. Almost had one of those things rip my arm off at Pipe.
Skeletor...ever try the "best handboard" the other way around with the wide part back below your wrist?
As to the main question: To handboard or not to handboard. Yes and no. The bright side of that equation is how little inconvenience there is if you bring the handboard everywhere. Freedom from the Weight of Quiver.
You know i DO get a lot a flack from the boys using a handboard sometimes. and there is the argument on the simplicity of bodysurfing and its independance from equipment needs. Honestly I would not call myself a "bodysurfer" if I were dependant on a handboard or kickboard but using them is just so fun right now.
The arm getting ripped off is a big deal with the bulkier hand boards. I used to have one of those old hand guns they used to make in So CAL with the slit cut in the middle for your hand and i hated it because of the size and boyancy.
The board i showed a pic of is so light and so small that it actually doesn't yank anymore than if i didn't wear it at all (and i like BIG sandys and OTW). Even the ride with it feels more along the lines of using webbed gloves than an actual hand board.
using that handboard backwards doesn' t work so well. I like having the wide part in the front because i get such a hard pull to get in. plus having such a wide point over your wrist makes it hard to incorporate using your hands for slowing yourself down
sorry for such a long post but i love this topic. Nice lined up south commin in for biginning of March if anyone wants to do some share and compare with handboards at sandys for some thumpers
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
i think i may just get one for the nice peeling days. its coming into winter now where i live so we should be getting a few clean offshore beachbreak peaks in the next few months.
by the way Skeletor i love the quote at the bottom of your messages.
i watched some friends bodysurf some small, grinding point waves using handboards.seems to me the boards defenitely helped them surf the waves further and faster than without.
Damn Skeletor, that really makes me jones for Sandy's. I made a hand board out of a snapped off surfboard tip a while ago. Sounds like most of you guys would consider it dangerous and too big but I love the thing. It has fins on it so I can really hold a line. I actually like the bigness because I can just take one or two huge scooping paddles to get into waves and I can really get up on top of it. As far as buoyancy, I wouldn't mind having a little more... treading water in wind chop can get pretty tiring.It's well padded and your fingers go through a slot so your palm is on top and you grip the bottom. It is not attached so you can switch hands or let go if it was to twist. At work now, post pics later.
I've actually seen GOOD waves there, just N, and on the other side of the Grock.
Even seen a really big day, but strong NW winds, when the waves outside the rock were breaking into the channel S.
Used to surf RRivermouth a lot, but that was good enough for us.
Endless possibilities.
speaking of bodysurfing anyone see the contest that was on TV on sunday it was started with Mike Stewart who is amazing and has only lost two bodysurfing cmps in the past 15-6 years that he has entered which is over 15
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
I was looking for handles or straps on that photo of Deets, and I couldn't tell for sure. Maybe something on his wrist and middle finger, or does he just let his hand ride on the handboard? I rescued some PVC ceiling fan blades from the trash, and planned to use them as strakes or small handboards. I'd like to avoid having straps on the bottom planing surface. Maybe a laminated approach like these sandal handboards, except made out of the PVC fan blades. Any of you ever ride these sandal models...or just an old sandal?
Here's another photo of some handboards that sold on ebay a while back. Looks like luan plywood. I thought the dove tail was an interesting touch.
On a somewhat related topic...here's my latest path of experimentation. I call them cubit boards. Larger than most handboards and smaller than most paipos. The four cubit boards pictured are all about one Royal Egyptian Cubit in length, or about 20 1/2 inches. The jury is still out on how they ride. The nice thing about little boards is that it's not expensive to play around with a lot of different shapes and processes.
If you are interested in bodysurfing/freediving you should check out this thread. It discusses bodysurfing inside the wave as opposed to on the wave. Patrick
Thanks for sharing that link! Very interesting to read that forum's discussion about dolphins, and human "subsurfing", riding waves underwater.
"Noa", a DeeperBlue.net forum member asked..
"is there anybody else out there doing this. I really think that there must be, it's imposible that no one else has thought of this and tried it. If you are out there i want to know, i want to communicate, this is too fun to not share"
That question has been answered and documented..
Over 8 years in the making, the incredible experience of surfing with wild dolphins.. from a dolphin's point of view. A 35mm film by George Greenough.
As I was reading the thread, one of my first thoughts was, George Greenough must have experienced the same feeling noa speaks of. Otherwise, it is unlikely he could have obtained some of the photos he has published in the past. The perspective of some of the photos I have viewed seem to require both knowledge of a waves interior energy and of the dolphins use of this force.
I found the thread particularly interesting in that it brought together a number of folks from around the world, all of whom are approaching, mostly by themselves, wave riding from a different point of view. Rather than riding a wave they are getting inside the wave to experience the energy. To me they appear as pure watermen/persons - no way to show off when no one can see them. With the exceptions of Greenough and Hamilton no photos of this activity exist - and they would both certainly qualify as watermen.
By the way, thanks for pointing out the movie Dolphin Glide. I will definitely check it out. Hope the mats are doing well. I would bet some of those subsurfers would be very interested since the mats are so in tune to the waves energy.
howdy! I remember seeing a surf flick in the late 70s when I was a kid and there was a part where a guy was riding inside the wave like that, it was tropical water so you could see him, I was amazed as was my brother, so we gave it a whirl. Ive been doing it ever since. Most of the waves I get to body surf now are close out beachbreak, and my favorate thing to do is takeoff from in the wave,(just dive in the base of the wave as it stands up)get momentum, and the wave will eject you out the face , you can actually catch air! Letting out a loud yell adds to the fun, speciallly when you hit the water!!!
"Once I decided to shoot 35mm, I wound up having to pull one of my Mitchell cameras to bits and rebuild it into the shape where it looks like a tuna now, or maybe a baby dolphin-- very streamlined. If I'd left the camera in its original form, I wouldn't have been able to bodysurf like a dolphin. I wouldn't have been able to keep up with the wave...
"In some of the scenes you can see dolphins that are moving with the wave just like surfers. Once I've caught the wave there's so much pressure involved... But once you get in the right place in the wave it will draw you along with it, even though you're fully underwater. And that's basically the position I was putting the camera in. I was catching the wave and riding it underwater with the camera held out ahead of me. I also have a boat which I can run in the surfline with the camera suspended from an underwater camera crane...
"At times the camera is only inches below and behind the surface of the wave. If you watch dolphins surfing, they are very, very close to the surface... The dolphins themselves seem quite interested in what I'm doing. They've come up and talked to me while I was underwater swimming with the camera...
"It's the lighting that makes it-- when you're out there surfing with the dolphins, right around sunset, you wonder why they go nuts at that time of day, then you see the colors that occur underwater. And to think they're gliding along through those colors with that feeling of no resistance. While I'm out there with forty pounds of camera gear, kicking my guts out to get going on a wave-- they're just gliding along effortlessly, then one jumps through the face of the wave six feet into the air and disappears from my field of vision..."
Excerpt from "Dolphin Glide with George Greenough", The Surfer's Journal, Summer 1995, Vol. 4, No. 2.
After seeing 'Laird' a few years back i tried bodysurfing in the wave like laird and Greenough have been doing with some success but I have to say i do not make it look half as good. pretty fun to do when the waves arn't barrelling to good too, and definately a different style.
Dale do you have any photos of the camera housing that greenough designed? It would be interesting to see exactly what his ideas are as a picture is worth a thousand words.
LeeD that side of G R gets insane! as does R mouth! Spring time is about that time for choked up sandbars and closeouts! Better hope almighty whitey doesn't come around llokin dfor lunch. two years ago i was visiting my parents, went up to the rivermouth and watched perfect peeeeeeeling barels commin through on the inside were seals playing in the shorebreak and catching salmon as big as my thigh as they tried to go upstream! I opted for something else
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
I like the idea of those sandal boards Poobah. Are those yours or do you just have pics. Are they flexible? That is the problem i have with a lot of handboards is that i want it stiff enough to get a strong pull, but i like a lot of flex while body surfing. Makes it so you don't have to be sooo concious of diggin in the sides or pushing too hard on your hands.
Went to sandys yesterday. building SE swell, N winds, glassy conditions, and rights with a punishing end section in front of the life guard tower onto the rocks!
Keep this post alive
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
In one of the nofriends movies (bodyboarding) They filmed ross mcbride bodysurfing teahupo in the manner described it was really cool i geuss they wave is to step to bodysurf the face
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
Hydrosportz.com has a handboard for sale online. if anyone wants to check it out and let me know what they think of it .....also anyone use the Redwings handboard.
i got this little spot where i bodysurf when the lifegaurds take their flags down in the afternoon and all the swimmers get out. ive been fine tuning and getting some ok rides but sometimes i feel i need a little extra speed to run through the sections. cant wait for the banks to get into shape there.
hey also check out the Monofins from the forum link on the first page of this thread. specialfins.com one big ass fin shaped like a dolphins tail.....
those handboards look almost identical to the hand guns that i was talking about in an earlier post that they make out of southern california. I am not sure if the size and bouyancy is the same though.
The one that i tried was extremely bouyant and you could literally lift your whole upper body out of the wave with it. Didn't work so good in shorebreak hwere it would suck out hard because of the size and awkwardness, but on mushy days at makapu or beach park where it would be a slow mushball before hitting the closeout section it was great. had speed over flat spots like i was on a bodyboard. Really fun, but didn't feel like bodysurfing, felt like something else in between.
Use a Mono fin for a few monthes and you'll have the most ripped six pack ever!
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
when i was a grommet while bodysurfing, i used to use the aussie classic "THONG" or jandal which seemed to work fine at the time. still remember some of the barrels .actually made a few to, on my thong.:)
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I like the idea of those sandal boards Poobah. Are those yours or do you just have pics. Are they flexible? That is the problem i have with a lot of handboards is that i want it stiff enough to get a strong pull, but i like a lot of flex while body surfing. Makes it so you don't have to be sooo concious of diggin in the sides or pushing too hard on your hands.
Skeletor,
I got the photo of the sandal handboards off the web. As I recall the guy said they were purchased in Hawaii in the eighties. I'd like to know who made them and how many.
Silly Paul,
you stumped me with the term jandal, and I bet most Yanks wouldn't know either. A Google search yielded:
"All the evidence points towards New Zealand, where Maurice Yock invented the jandal in 1957. There isn't any evidence of Australians producing anything thong-like before Dunlop in the '60s."
Perhaps since they had it first, it might have been New Zealanders that first put their spongy jandals to the face of a wave.
ah it was the kiwis to blame, little did mr yock know of the future generations of fashion victims to follow his breakthrough in impractical footware.Listen if you can to the Flap Flap sound surounding you in all beer gardens shopping centers and footpaths of queensland beachside towns.travel further south to to colder climes and witness further pedestrian nightmares and smelly feet of those that wear the famous "UGG BOOT"(not sure if that is short for ugly ? could be an eskimo word i guess.)jandals had a thicker sole by the way and are less inclined to stick tonorth queensland bitumen.I think they also were the better perforner in the surf than the thong as they are a bit stiffer with more planing area they cost about 6$ when iwas a kid, so a cheap surf vehicle if you couldnt afford a morey boogie.
cheers
when did uggs become women clothing i have had a pair first my dads old holey ones for two years then a nice new Austrialan made pair and all the stupid girls in my school have em and i have to were normal shoes cuz my sister is to embarassed when i were them
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
I made a fine looking handboard. In fact, I posted it on this website. I worked very hard on it. I took four by eighteen inch balsa strips that were 1/16 thick, glued them together, added rocker, let it dry, shaped it meticulously, sanded it for days, glassed it, sanded, glass, sand, sand, sand, polish. It was beautiful.
I have no idea why. Of course, I haven't taken it out in bigger surf yet, just three foot junk. Maybe it needs speed.
Doubt it.
The best handboard I ever used, back when I weighed about 130 as a kid, was a cedar shingle from the side of my house. I'm not kidding. I tore it off (pissed off dad) and it worked great. The best part was when it came loose and hit tourists. It only worked once. We left them at the beach.
I finally got around to taking some pictures of my hand board. For this style of hand hold you have to pad out the front for a tight fit or else water sprays up from the hole. The pad also saves the knuckles. This thing is big enough to grab a rail and ride two handed. Painted it red to look like those kick boards. The fins work for holding you in. Only problem is you can't run people over with the fins.
Edit: The pictures didn't work so I deleted them so nobody else will waste time trying to see them.
Sorry about that Skeletor and others. My pictures were too much data for Swaylocks to accept so I cropped them down in a different program, now they can't be read. Not sure what else to try, the camera is already on its lowest resolution. I'll see what I can do tonight.
download this thing called Irfanview, it shrinks pictures. i have the same trouble with any photos i want to post on here. i seriously have to work the things to get them to an acceptable size. but they do eventually come down
If you just use the paint program in your accesories file it works fine. click on sketch/skew in the image menu at the top. I usually have to shrink mine to about 30%. thanks for changing the pics, can't wait to see what you are using.
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Great question and I have given it some thought. If I was holding on to a handboard I would be very inclined to get on my knees and ride on it. Heck ...I might just be wacked enough to try to stand on it.
A bunch of purveyors of shape on this forum may not want to hear this, but here is lesson 1 for BODYSURFING 101.
Bodysurfing is just what it is....the only accessory item that should be going for the ride are your fins because the Good Lord didn't shape most of us with flukes for the necessary propulsion to catch waves. Trunks are optional...and sorry ladies.....for guys the skeg is standard equipment but we are more than happy to share it with you!
Whoa bad ass KOKO. That looks like a hand gun on steroids. any vee or concave in the bottom? with those side keels it almost looks like a bonzer! Chip would get a kick out of that, a bonzer hand gun. can you give me some dimentions.
And mad dog, god didn't give us built in engines either but everyone seems to be taken up by tow surfing. Hand boards are just a variation of bodysurfing. We all got styles and abilities and preferences. I know what you mean though it does take away from simplicity of bodysurfing as one of the few things with little or no equipment.
Bodysurfing naked rules! Takes the title of dick dragger away from the bodyboarders:)
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
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I know what you mean though it does take away from simplicity of bodysurfing as one of the few things with little or no equipment.
Sometimes it's just fun to have toys. Just like sometimes it's fun not to. Handguns are cheap to buy when available, easy to make, fun, and very low impact wave riding vehicles. They can buy you an extra second to view a totally crap closeout wall pitching over your head, and they can buy you a whole sectional transition on a better wave.
As the North American summer slowly approaches, here is a little brain teaser. Take $20 and buy a 2' x 4' sheet of .25" ply, some nylon webbing, some screws, and some polyurethane sealer. If you have any money left and nothing similar at home get some colorful paints. Take a sheet of paper and put your hand on it, and start thinking about shapes. Mess with that a bit, and maybe set it all aside for a while. Go back, draw a planshape, and cut it out of the wood...taking care to leave as much wood as possible to play with later. Figure out what you probably ought to do to the rough shape to make it work, and root around the garage and find the tools you need. Fix it up, smooth it out. Decorate the son of a gun, any way you want - it's so small hardly anyone will see it anyway. Freak out! Seal it with the polyurethane. Figure out how to attach the strap. Go ahead and make slots to slide the strap through if you want. Don't worry about strap drag - your whole body is hanging back there anyway. The key concept is to use the handboard to plane your body as much out of the water as possible.
When you have one handboard ready, always have it with you at the beach. Try it out. These puppies get stressed really quick, so if there is a construction or design problem it will become apparent fairly quickly. See if you can fix the board you have, and then try it again. Did anybody see the Greenough exhibit in California last year? All his personal equipment looked like beaters...obviously he wasn't living for trade shows. Once you wire the board you have or determine other things you want to try, cut away at the remainders. You can probably get 8-10 handboards easy out of one piece of that ply. They won't last forever. Every time you make a new one you will gain skills or knowledge. Cheapest, quickest, easiest surf equipment buildout you can imagine. It's all about fun. Going pro is not an option.
Good man nels tellin the truth. 3-6ft south swell ooh yeah goin for a surf and then to sandys if anyone is there an sees someone going on a completely unmakeable mind bender only to do flips over the falls...it is probubly me
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Might be a completely stupid question, but being a bit of a newbie to bodysurfing, thought i might as well ask.
Anyone tried bodysurfing with those swim-training paddles on? Plastic hand-sized sheets of acrylic that strap to each hand... they'd increase paddling speed, while i imagine slightly improving planing, but you wouldnt get any arm wrenching on a closeout... any thoughts?
a) there are NO stupid questions---only stupid answers....
b) that said; i tried the swim paddles once! only once, almost dislocated my shoulder---either i was/am clueless or i didn't know what i was doing, but it reallllly hurt--never again,--- go pure---fins and trunks only
Greg Deats is most likely using a pair of swim training paddles in the photo that Dale posted. When I was growing up, Greg was one of the best bodysurfers at the Wedge. Both Greg and another guy, Mel, would use hand planes. They were a couple of the only Wedge Crew guys who would regularly use them (I think a lot of the guys thought it was "cheating").
For those not familiar with the training paddles, the rectangular acrylic ones that are slightly larger in area than your hands are the ones to use. They have straps made of surgical tubing for your middle finger and around your wrist. That's how the planes stay in place. I have a pair at home, I'll try to post a picture of them tonight.
I don't always use the planes when I bodysurf, but depending upon the conditions or my mood, I'll take them out. They add quite a bit of speed, allowing you to make waves you might not otherwise make. The planes give you a good edge to help hold you into a steep face and a nice solid surface to slide on while riding the flatter faces. They're also small enough and flexible enough that you can comfortably swim with them on. I like using the actual swim training paddles because I like the flex. Some of the crew guys like Mel use custom-made acrylic planes that are a bit stiffer but the same shape and size as the swimming paddles.
I've never experienced the shoulder-wrenching pain from catching an edge, etc. but if you do catch an edge you'll wipeout. Swimming with the paddles does put a little more strain on your shoulders because you're grabbing more water with each pull so be careful not to over-do it if you're not a strong swimmer.
Some of the other things we used to use bodysuring include kickboards, sandals, restaurant trays, a pizza tray, chopped off old swim fins and the handboards called hand guns. All are fun but the training paddles have always been my favorite since they allow you to bodysurf exactly like you would without the planes on... just at a higher speed.
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
Only way to know what works for YOU is to try it personally!
Handboard as opposed to bare hands, you make more waves, you can climb to the top to hit concave walls, and you go down the line farther with each wave.
Countering that, if you don't remember to grab wrists, sometimes big pushtrus can wretch your shoulders, and big wipeouts can leave you worried about elbows and shoulders of handboard side. Just toss, they have leashes too.
With handboard, you lose out on natural freestyle stroke, so paddling speed is not quite as fast....countered by slightly easier wave catching, as you can really weight the single concave handboards and "pull" yourself into larger waves easily.
Re: [LeeDD] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
Loved my handboard, back in the days before spongers came and took over just about every break.
The downside was that if you ride a lot of closeouts, sooner or later the damn thing will come back at your face, or twist your arm pretty good.
But they do give a lot more speed. Makapuu, Sandy Beach, Pipeline... I could get up and ride on the just the handboard, plus legs from the knee down, sometimes just on handboard and two Duck Feet SXL fins. But I was in considerably better condition then.
charlie
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
I am big on using handboards that are small. I don't like having to do underwater takeoffs when it is big and handboards make it fun for dropping in on steep sections and still holding in with good speed. If a handboard is too big than it makes it hard for me to rotate from my back to my stomach without it getting in the way.
This is the best handboard I have ever used that i made from an broken fin i used to use for backpacking on the Napali. has a little flex in it and not a lot of bouyancy just a good planing surface and you can make a hell of a pull with it to get in.
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
SHOREBREAK RULES!
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Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
great way to break your wrist. any one see the bodysurfingcontest with mike stewart on Nbc on sunday? it was at pipe and there were no hands boards, the conditions weren't great tho.
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
Re: [riderofwaves] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handbo
yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, bodysurfing.
the best waves are really bowly ones that are still hollow but peel slowly. my favorite method is no fins or board, speedos are good too. there is absolutely no drag and once you get into a wave its alot easier to make it out of the barrel.
ive been using this little 10x14" speedo kickboard. its made of soft bendable foam so you just grab the front with your hand and use it like a hand board. it flexes on wipeout so you dont ruin your shoulders and when it hits you in the face it bounces off. best handboard ive ever used. used it in some good doubel overhead newport point and had some guy wanting to trade his hard handboard for it. it makes it so much easier to get waves, i am way bummed whenever i forget to bring it with me to the beach.
if its closed out shorebreak i dont bother with the handboard, it just gets in the way and after all, your only goal is to get inside the barrel, not to really go anywhere. if its makeable surf then i love the handboard, its fun to be right in the curl with it and go forever like that.
Re: [gatordave] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard
LOVE bodysurfing but handboard? .... maybe in small waves, where they'd probably be most effective anyway. Big stuff though, not for me. Almost had one of those things rip my arm off at Pipe.
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
Skeletor...ever try the "best handboard" the other way around with the wide part back below your wrist?
As to the main question: To handboard or not to handboard. Yes and no. The bright side of that equation is how little inconvenience there is if you bring the handboard everywhere. Freedom from the Weight of Quiver.
Re: [Nels] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
You know i DO get a lot a flack from the boys using a handboard sometimes. and there is the argument on the simplicity of bodysurfing and its independance from equipment needs. Honestly I would not call myself a "bodysurfer" if I were dependant on a handboard or kickboard but using them is just so fun right now.
The arm getting ripped off is a big deal with the bulkier hand boards. I used to have one of those old hand guns they used to make in So CAL with the slit cut in the middle for your hand and i hated it because of the size and boyancy.
The board i showed a pic of is so light and so small that it actually doesn't yank anymore than if i didn't wear it at all (and i like BIG sandys and OTW). Even the ride with it feels more along the lines of using webbed gloves than an actual hand board.
using that handboard backwards doesn' t work so well. I like having the wide part in the front because i get such a hard pull to get in. plus having such a wide point over your wrist makes it hard to incorporate using your hands for slowing yourself down
sorry for such a long post but i love this topic. Nice lined up south commin in for biginning of March if anyone wants to do some share and compare with handboards at sandys for some thumpers
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
Greg Deets
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
i think i may just get one for the nice peeling days. its coming into winter now where i live so we should be getting a few clean offshore beachbreak peaks in the next few months.
by the way Skeletor i love the quote at the bottom of your messages.
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
i watched some friends bodysurf some small, grinding point waves using handboards.seems to me the boards defenitely helped them surf the waves further and faster than without.
Re: [Matt] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
few more little shorebreak shots, not the best day, small with some mid face steps making for some great diggers.
all i want in life is to get barreled. shorebreak is like instant satisfaction from inside the green room
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
heres one for you sonoma guys. you know where.
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
Damn Skeletor, that really makes me jones for Sandy's. I made a hand board out of a snapped off surfboard tip a while ago. Sounds like most of you guys would consider it dangerous and too big but I love the thing. It has fins on it so I can really hold a line. I actually like the bigness because I can just take one or two huge scooping paddles to get into waves and I can really get up on top of it. As far as buoyancy, I wouldn't mind having a little more... treading water in wind chop can get pretty tiring.It's well padded and your fingers go through a slot so your palm is on top and you grip the bottom. It is not attached so you can switch hands or let go if it was to twist. At work now, post pics later.
Endless winter please.
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
I've actually seen GOOD waves there, just N, and on the other side of the Grock.
Even seen a really big day, but strong NW winds, when the waves outside the rock were breaking into the channel S.
Used to surf RRivermouth a lot, but that was good enough for us.
Endless possibilities.
Re: [LeeDD] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
speaking of bodysurfing anyone see the contest that was on TV on sunday it was started with Mike Stewart who is amazing and has only lost two bodysurfing cmps in the past 15-6 years that he has entered which is over 15
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
Re: [DaleSolomonson] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
I was looking for handles or straps on that photo of Deets, and I couldn't tell for sure. Maybe something on his wrist and middle finger, or does he just let his hand ride on the handboard? I rescued some PVC ceiling fan blades from the trash, and planned to use them as strakes or small handboards. I'd like to avoid having straps on the bottom planing surface. Maybe a laminated approach like these sandal handboards, except made out of the PVC fan blades. Any of you ever ride these sandal models...or just an old sandal?

Re: [Poobah] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
Here's another photo of some handboards that sold on ebay a while back. Looks like luan plywood. I thought the dove tail was an interesting touch.
On a somewhat related topic...here's my latest path of experimentation. I call them cubit boards. Larger than most handboards and smaller than most paipos. The four cubit boards pictured are all about one Royal Egyptian Cubit in length, or about 20 1/2 inches. The jury is still out on how they ride. The nice thing about little boards is that it's not expensive to play around with a lot of different shapes and processes.

Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
http://forums.deeperblue.net/showthread.php?t=53588&page=1&pp=15
If you are interested in bodysurfing/freediving you should check out this thread. It discusses bodysurfing inside the wave as opposed to on the wave. Patrick
Re: [PatrickShannon] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
Patrick-
Thanks for sharing that link! Very interesting to read that forum's discussion about dolphins, and human "subsurfing", riding waves underwater.
"Noa", a DeeperBlue.net forum member asked..
"is there anybody else out there doing this. I really think that there must be, it's imposible that no one else has thought of this and tried it. If you are out there i want to know, i want to communicate, this is too fun to not share"
That question has been answered and documented..
Over 8 years in the making, the incredible experience of surfing with wild dolphins.. from a dolphin's point of view. A 35mm film by George Greenough.
http://www.dolphinglide.com/
Re: [DaleSolomonson] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
Dale,
As I was reading the thread, one of my first thoughts was, George Greenough must have experienced the same feeling noa speaks of. Otherwise, it is unlikely he could have obtained some of the photos he has published in the past. The perspective of some of the photos I have viewed seem to require both knowledge of a waves interior energy and of the dolphins use of this force.
I found the thread particularly interesting in that it brought together a number of folks from around the world, all of whom are approaching, mostly by themselves, wave riding from a different point of view. Rather than riding a wave they are getting inside the wave to experience the energy. To me they appear as pure watermen/persons - no way to show off when no one can see them. With the exceptions of Greenough and Hamilton no photos of this activity exist - and they would both certainly qualify as watermen.
By the way, thanks for pointing out the movie Dolphin Glide. I will definitely check it out. Hope the mats are doing well. I would bet some of those subsurfers would be very interested since the mats are so in tune to the waves energy.
Take care.
Patrick
Re: [PatrickShannon] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
howdy! I remember seeing a surf flick in the late 70s when I was a kid and there was a part where a guy was riding inside the wave like that, it was tropical water so you could see him, I was amazed as was my brother, so we gave it a whirl. Ive been doing it ever since. Most of the waves I get to body surf now are close out beachbreak, and my favorate thing to do is takeoff from in the wave,(just dive in the base of the wave as it stands up)get momentum, and the wave will eject you out the face , you can actually catch air! Letting out a loud yell adds to the fun, speciallly when you hit the water!!!
Its fun to have fun, but youve got to know how!
Re: [PatrickShannon] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
George Greenough:
"Once I decided to shoot 35mm, I wound up having to pull one of my Mitchell cameras to bits and rebuild it into the shape where it looks like a tuna now, or maybe a baby dolphin-- very streamlined. If I'd left the camera in its original form, I wouldn't have been able to bodysurf like a dolphin. I wouldn't have been able to keep up with the wave...
"In some of the scenes you can see dolphins that are moving with the wave just like surfers. Once I've caught the wave there's so much pressure involved... But once you get in the right place in the wave it will draw you along with it, even though you're fully underwater. And that's basically the position I was putting the camera in. I was catching the wave and riding it underwater with the camera held out ahead of me. I also have a boat which I can run in the surfline with the camera suspended from an underwater camera crane...
"At times the camera is only inches below and behind the surface of the wave. If you watch dolphins surfing, they are very, very close to the surface... The dolphins themselves seem quite interested in what I'm doing. They've come up and talked to me while I was underwater swimming with the camera...
"It's the lighting that makes it-- when you're out there surfing with the dolphins, right around sunset, you wonder why they go nuts at that time of day, then you see the colors that occur underwater. And to think they're gliding along through those colors with that feeling of no resistance. While I'm out there with forty pounds of camera gear, kicking my guts out to get going on a wave-- they're just gliding along effortlessly, then one jumps through the face of the wave six feet into the air and disappears from my field of vision..."
Excerpt from "Dolphin Glide with George Greenough", The Surfer's Journal, Summer 1995, Vol. 4, No. 2.
Re: [DaleSolomonson] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
Awsome posts from everyone.
After seeing 'Laird' a few years back i tried bodysurfing in the wave like laird and Greenough have been doing with some success but I have to say i do not make it look half as good. pretty fun to do when the waves arn't barrelling to good too, and definately a different style.
Dale do you have any photos of the camera housing that greenough designed? It would be interesting to see exactly what his ideas are as a picture is worth a thousand words.
LeeD that side of G R gets insane! as does R mouth! Spring time is about that time for choked up sandbars and closeouts! Better hope almighty whitey doesn't come around llokin dfor lunch. two years ago i was visiting my parents, went up to the rivermouth and watched perfect peeeeeeeling barels commin through on the inside were seals playing in the shorebreak and catching salmon as big as my thigh as they tried to go upstream! I opted for something else
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Poobah] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
I like the idea of those sandal boards Poobah. Are those yours or do you just have pics. Are they flexible? That is the problem i have with a lot of handboards is that i want it stiff enough to get a strong pull, but i like a lot of flex while body surfing. Makes it so you don't have to be sooo concious of diggin in the sides or pushing too hard on your hands.
Went to sandys yesterday. building SE swell, N winds, glassy conditions, and rights with a punishing end section in front of the life guard tower onto the rocks!
Keep this post alive
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
In one of the nofriends movies (bodyboarding) They filmed ross mcbride bodysurfing teahupo in the manner described it was really cool i geuss they wave is to step to bodysurf the face
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
Hydrosportz.com has a handboard for sale online. if anyone wants to check it out and let me know what they think of it .....also anyone use the Redwings handboard.
i got this little spot where i bodysurf when the lifegaurds take their flags down in the afternoon and all the swimmers get out. ive been fine tuning and getting some ok rides but sometimes i feel i need a little extra speed to run through the sections. cant wait for the banks to get into shape there.
hey also check out the Monofins from the forum link on the first page of this thread. specialfins.com one big ass fin shaped like a dolphins tail.....
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
those handboards look almost identical to the hand guns that i was talking about in an earlier post that they make out of southern california. I am not sure if the size and bouyancy is the same though.
The one that i tried was extremely bouyant and you could literally lift your whole upper body out of the wave with it. Didn't work so good in shorebreak hwere it would suck out hard because of the size and awkwardness, but on mushy days at makapu or beach park where it would be a slow mushball before hitting the closeout section it was great. had speed over flat spots like i was on a bodyboard. Really fun, but didn't feel like bodysurfing, felt like something else in between.
Use a Mono fin for a few monthes and you'll have the most ripped six pack ever!
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Poobah] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
when i was a grommet while bodysurfing, i used to use the aussie classic "THONG" or jandal which seemed to work fine at the time. still remember some of the barrels .actually made a few to, on my thong.:)
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
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I like the idea of those sandal boards Poobah. Are those yours or do you just have pics. Are they flexible? That is the problem i have with a lot of handboards is that i want it stiff enough to get a strong pull, but i like a lot of flex while body surfing. Makes it so you don't have to be sooo concious of diggin in the sides or pushing too hard on your hands.
Skeletor,
I got the photo of the sandal handboards off the web. As I recall the guy said they were purchased in Hawaii in the eighties. I'd like to know who made them and how many.
Silly Paul,
you stumped me with the term jandal, and I bet most Yanks wouldn't know either. A Google search yielded:
"All the evidence points towards New Zealand, where Maurice Yock invented the jandal in 1957. There isn't any evidence of Australians producing anything thong-like before Dunlop in the '60s."
Perhaps since they had it first, it might have been New Zealanders that first put their spongy jandals to the face of a wave.
Re: [Poobah] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
ah it was the kiwis to blame, little did mr yock know of the future generations of fashion victims to follow his breakthrough in impractical footware.Listen if you can to the Flap Flap sound surounding you in all beer gardens shopping centers and footpaths of queensland beachside towns.travel further south to to colder climes and witness further pedestrian nightmares and smelly feet of those that wear the famous "UGG BOOT"(not sure if that is short for ugly ? could be an eskimo word i guess.)jandals had a thicker sole by the way and are less inclined to stick tonorth queensland bitumen.I think they also were the better perforner in the surf than the thong as they are a bit stiffer with more planing area they cost about 6$ when iwas a kid, so a cheap surf vehicle if you couldnt afford a morey boogie.
cheers
Re: [silly] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
when did uggs become women clothing i have had a pair first my dads old holey ones for two years then a nice new Austrialan made pair and all the stupid girls in my school have em and i have to were normal shoes cuz my sister is to embarassed when i were them
"it is not what you make...it is what you learn"-Erret Callahan
Re: [riderofwaves] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handbo
I made a fine looking handboard. In fact, I posted it on this website. I worked very hard on it. I took four by eighteen inch balsa strips that were 1/16 thick, glued them together, added rocker, let it dry, shaped it meticulously, sanded it for days, glassed it, sanded, glass, sand, sand, sand, polish. It was beautiful.
Here's the link: http://www.swaylocks.com/resources/detail_page.cgi?ID=942
Worked like crap!
:(
I have no idea why. Of course, I haven't taken it out in bigger surf yet, just three foot junk. Maybe it needs speed.
Doubt it.
The best handboard I ever used, back when I weighed about 130 as a kid, was a cedar shingle from the side of my house. I'm not kidding. I tore it off (pissed off dad) and it worked great. The best part was when it came loose and hit tourists. It only worked once. We left them at the beach.
y
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
I finally got around to taking some pictures of my hand board. For this style of hand hold you have to pad out the front for a tight fit or else water sprays up from the hole. The pad also saves the knuckles. This thing is big enough to grab a rail and ride two handed. Painted it red to look like those kick boards. The fins work for holding you in. Only problem is you can't run people over with the fins.
Edit: The pictures didn't work so I deleted them so nobody else will waste time trying to see them.
Endless winter please.
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handb
Sorry about that Skeletor and others. My pictures were too much data for Swaylocks to accept so I cropped them down in a different program, now they can't be read. Not sure what else to try, the camera is already on its lowest resolution. I'll see what I can do tonight.
Endless winter please.
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handb
whats up KOKO I can't read the pic files. What is the format? Can you repost in Bitmap or JPEG. Mahalos
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handb
download this thing called Irfanview, it shrinks pictures. i have the same trouble with any photos i want to post on here. i seriously have to work the things to get them to an acceptable size. but they do eventually come down
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
If you just use the paint program in your accesories file it works fine. click on sketch/skew in the image menu at the top. I usually have to shrink mine to about 30%. thanks for changing the pics, can't wait to see what you are using.
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
Tryinging in paint, Swaylocks accepted it. C'mon baby.
Endless winter please.
Re: [.mick] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
Great question and I have given it some thought. If I was holding on to a handboard I would be very inclined to get on my knees and ride on it. Heck ...I might just be wacked enough to try to stand on it.
A bunch of purveyors of shape on this forum may not want to hear this, but here is lesson 1 for BODYSURFING 101.
Bodysurfing is just what it is....the only accessory item that should be going for the ride are your fins because the Good Lord didn't shape most of us with flukes for the necessary propulsion to catch waves. Trunks are optional...and sorry ladies.....for guys the skeg is standard equipment but we are more than happy to share it with you!
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handb
Seems to have worked, won't go into the time spent to do it.
Endless winter please.
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handb
Whoa bad ass KOKO. That looks like a hand gun on steroids. any vee or concave in the bottom? with those side keels it almost looks like a bonzer! Chip would get a kick out of that, a bonzer hand gun. can you give me some dimentions.
And mad dog, god didn't give us built in engines either but everyone seems to be taken up by tow surfing. Hand boards are just a variation of bodysurfing. We all got styles and abilities and preferences. I know what you mean though it does take away from simplicity of bodysurfing as one of the few things with little or no equipment.
Bodysurfing naked rules! Takes the title of dick dragger away from the bodyboarders:)
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
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I know what you mean though it does take away from simplicity of bodysurfing as one of the few things with little or no equipment.
Sometimes it's just fun to have toys. Just like sometimes it's fun not to. Handguns are cheap to buy when available, easy to make, fun, and very low impact wave riding vehicles. They can buy you an extra second to view a totally crap closeout wall pitching over your head, and they can buy you a whole sectional transition on a better wave.
As the North American summer slowly approaches, here is a little brain teaser. Take $20 and buy a 2' x 4' sheet of .25" ply, some nylon webbing, some screws, and some polyurethane sealer. If you have any money left and nothing similar at home get some colorful paints. Take a sheet of paper and put your hand on it, and start thinking about shapes. Mess with that a bit, and maybe set it all aside for a while. Go back, draw a planshape, and cut it out of the wood...taking care to leave as much wood as possible to play with later. Figure out what you probably ought to do to the rough shape to make it work, and root around the garage and find the tools you need. Fix it up, smooth it out. Decorate the son of a gun, any way you want - it's so small hardly anyone will see it anyway. Freak out! Seal it with the polyurethane. Figure out how to attach the strap. Go ahead and make slots to slide the strap through if you want. Don't worry about strap drag - your whole body is hanging back there anyway. The key concept is to use the handboard to plane your body as much out of the water as possible.
When you have one handboard ready, always have it with you at the beach. Try it out. These puppies get stressed really quick, so if there is a construction or design problem it will become apparent fairly quickly. See if you can fix the board you have, and then try it again. Did anybody see the Greenough exhibit in California last year? All his personal equipment looked like beaters...obviously he wasn't living for trade shows. Once you wire the board you have or determine other things you want to try, cut away at the remainders. You can probably get 8-10 handboards easy out of one piece of that ply. They won't last forever. Every time you make a new one you will gain skills or knowledge. Cheapest, quickest, easiest surf equipment buildout you can imagine. It's all about fun. Going pro is not an option.
Re: [Nels] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard??
Good man nels tellin the truth. 3-6ft south swell ooh yeah goin for a surf and then to sandys if anyone is there an sees someone going on a completely unmakeable mind bender only to do flips over the falls...it is probubly me
Mahalo
Skeletor
A Hippie is someone who walks like Tarzan, looks like Jane and smells like Cheetah.
-- Ronald Reagan
Re: [Skeletor] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to handboard?
The red rocket is 14" x 8". The nose has a hull type bottom, the rest is flat.
Endless winter please.
Re: [KeepOnKeepnOn] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to ...
Might be a completely stupid question, but being a bit of a newbie to bodysurfing, thought i might as well ask.
Anyone tried bodysurfing with those swim-training paddles on? Plastic hand-sized sheets of acrylic that strap to each hand... they'd increase paddling speed, while i imagine slightly improving planing, but you wouldnt get any arm wrenching on a closeout... any thoughts?
Re: [kevinconiam] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to ...
a) there are NO stupid questions---only stupid answers....
b) that said; i tried the swim paddles once! only once, almost dislocated my shoulder---either i was/am clueless or i didn't know what i was doing, but it reallllly hurt--never again,--- go pure---fins and trunks only
Re: [Poobah] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
In aswer to Poobah and Kevin,
Greg Deats is most likely using a pair of swim training paddles in the photo that Dale posted. When I was growing up, Greg was one of the best bodysurfers at the Wedge. Both Greg and another guy, Mel, would use hand planes. They were a couple of the only Wedge Crew guys who would regularly use them (I think a lot of the guys thought it was "cheating").
For those not familiar with the training paddles, the rectangular acrylic ones that are slightly larger in area than your hands are the ones to use. They have straps made of surgical tubing for your middle finger and around your wrist. That's how the planes stay in place. I have a pair at home, I'll try to post a picture of them tonight.
I don't always use the planes when I bodysurf, but depending upon the conditions or my mood, I'll take them out. They add quite a bit of speed, allowing you to make waves you might not otherwise make. The planes give you a good edge to help hold you into a steep face and a nice solid surface to slide on while riding the flatter faces. They're also small enough and flexible enough that you can comfortably swim with them on. I like using the actual swim training paddles because I like the flex. Some of the crew guys like Mel use custom-made acrylic planes that are a bit stiffer but the same shape and size as the swimming paddles.
I've never experienced the shoulder-wrenching pain from catching an edge, etc. but if you do catch an edge you'll wipeout. Swimming with the paddles does put a little more strain on your shoulders because you're grabbing more water with each pull so be careful not to over-do it if you're not a strong swimmer.
Some of the other things we used to use bodysuring include kickboards, sandals, restaurant trays, a pizza tray, chopped off old swim fins and the handboards called hand guns. All are fun but the training paddles have always been my favorite since they allow you to bodysurf exactly like you would without the planes on... just at a higher speed.
Re: [Nico_SB] BODYSURFING 101-To handboard or not to hand
I say: yes. This is the "sand crab", the product of too much free time and a bunch of left-over water toys. It is pretty darn fun, though!