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" Resin Swirl " FINS ....


I want to make some .


I thought I'd maybe do it like this .....

After coating the glass [to lay it up on] , with a couple of layers of polyester laminating resin ....

1. lay down a few layers of clear 6oz cloth
2. drip different coloured pigments on top
3. SQUEEGUEE lightly , to get the 'swirl' effect [ Well, hopefully, anyway !]
4. put more clear layers on top ,
5. allow to "cure " a bit , before
6. adding MORE clear layers ...


...does that sound about right ?

Anyone who has made some , feel free to answer , please !

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Re: [chipfish61] resin swirl FINS ? [DJK ?]

Yes.

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Re: balsa billy....

...can you expand on that a bit please , Billy ?

[like ... photos , please ? and, did you use a roller , or a squeegee ... or both ? ]

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Re: [chipfish61] resin swirl FINS ? [DJK ?]

Resin swirl onto a good plain colour fabric your swirls, so that it will soak the colours well and you can do as many as you'd like before you get it right.

Then laminate that into the fin in the middle of all the clear layers either side...

Probably easier and will give a deeper effect?

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Re: [lavz] resin swirl FINS ? [DJK ?]

Or maybe rice paper so you get a semi-transparent effect?

(Fin photos tonight Chip, finished shaping the paddle a few hours ago)

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making a resin swirl fin panel...........

"be the answer to your own question".....


....a good philosophy for 'Swaylockians' , perhaps ?


okay ,

I thought I would 'resurrect' this thread ,

because I had to do what this opening sentence said.....



So.... during the past weekend , Hicksy and I both did our first "resin swirl" fin panels.

I did mine with polyester resin ,

Grant did his with epoxy resin.


To get the ball rolling , here's what I did for mine [I'll leave Grant to detail his].........


First up , after the 33 layers of 6oz were all cut to size , I covered the work area with wax paper [ Mr. 'Stingray' , take note !]

Then , taped off my sheet of glass to lay the fin panel up on.

Then , mixed 250mls of polyester laminating resin .




got the pigments ready [green , light blue , and blue tint , and yellow tint].....




...then the phone rang .... then hicksy was busy ...

so , no more photos !

[My hands were too 'gunky' , and the polyester resin gelling too rapidly, for ME to be able to make the panel , and take photos at the same time]

So, a quick description , instead ......


first , the laminating resin was brushed on the glass base

then , two clear layers [ie: unpigmented resin] were laid down

then , 3-5 layers 6oz put down at a time , then rollered with the 'pre-swirled' resin , until all the layers [33] were finished.


here is the result .....

'top' of panel ['outside edge' of fin]....




Okay ...so , here is what I would / will do differently next time .....

different cups with different colours in them poured on the first , say , ten layers of the fin panel.

let it almost 'gel' , so when the roller hits it , it is not smudging.

then , lay up about 20+ clear layers on top of that .


Well , this was a good learning experience for me , anyway !


.....and , when you see Hicksy's , and read about the difference with using epoxy , I think you will be impressed . (I hope so !)

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making a resin swirl fin panel...........

And , here's what the inside edge of the green 'swirl' fin panel looks like .....

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A green 'resin swirl' fin panel...........




...it should be even MORE translucent , once it is thinned and foiled , hopefully ....


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Re: [chipfish61] A green 'resin swirl' fin panel..........

It's hard to tell from the pictures but... did you have a different swirl pattern every 3-5 layers (different cup)?

I think that is going to look totally sweet after you foil and gloss it.

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Re: [chipfish61] " Resin Swirl " FINS ....


1. lay down a few layers of clear 6oz
2. drip different coloured pigments on top
3. SQUEEGUE lightly , to get the 'swirl' effect [ Well, hopefully, anyway !]
4. put more clear layers on top ,
5. allow to "cure " a bit , before
6. adding MORE clear layers ...

What if you made 2 half thickness clear panels then put the colors on the panel like you would do on a swirled board except probably a lot less resin with more space between them, then sandwiched the panels and maybe moved them back and forth a little to swirl? Think it would match the way swirl boards look?

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Re: [Kai] " Resin Swirl " FINS ....

Chip, I'm currently experimenting a new technique: dropping the different colors here and there then using the air gun to blow the resin in random paths.

First try was actually a disaster: I forgot to lower the air pressure (it was set at maximum pressure) and coloured resin exploded all over the shop... But I learnt from that and with low pressure you get to obtain various spider-like effects. I'm gonna try and have a flat air-outing set on my air-gun instead of the small round hole and see what can be achieved.

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Epoxy Swirl FINS ....



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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

yes , why can't I see the photos ?!

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Re: [chipfish61] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

I can, can anyone else?

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

I can't see them either

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Re: [stubs] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Right-click image, "Copy Image Location". New browser tab (I LOVE FireFox).

Paste the URL into the address textbox. Press enter.

And get this.
<Edit to remove embedded rather wide image>

Someone messed up.

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Re: [dougirwin13] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

okay , I can see them now ....

....now , can you please tell the good people here how epoxy worked for the resin swirl , compared to the tools I used for using polyester resin ?

cheers hicksy !

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Did the bleeding just natrually happen or did you do something special to make it do that?

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Re: [Kai] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Hey Kai

I put 4 layers of 5oz? down dry and drizzled it on in dots, three different colours, sort of filling an area with dots of colour and filling dry areas with different colours.



Put another 4 layers down and repeated the process until the thickness was right.



Then I weighed it down with a brick, squashing everything together.



Epoxy likes to run trough cloth as it takes a long time to set....what you are looking at is the bottom of the panel after everything has seeped through...



Hope that explains it better....

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Ah yes, epoxy. The easy wetout is one of my favorite bonuses from epoxy. You got me thinking...

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Re: [Kai] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

weighting down with bricks aside ...


the thing is , with epoxy soaking through the layers , Grant DIDN'T have to use a squeegee or a roller , so no nasty muddying of colours ....


did you manage to get the glass off the inside of the panel , now it must be fully set , Grant !

And , did the 'wax paper ' separate from the panel okay , too ?

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Re: [chipfish61] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Wax off, Glass on.....

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

how did you get the wax paper OFF Hicksy ?

And , did the paint scraper not lever off the glass okay ? [I think I left the scraper on the top shelf , from memory , of your shelves to the left of the bench]

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Re: [chipfish61] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

The wax paper came off cleanly, the glass is a different story, REALLY STUCK ON HARD....

I've used the scraper but it disintergrates into tiny splinters and I'm not too sure if they are getting into the weave.

Going to warm the panel up tonight and see if that will soften up the surface enough to lift off the rest....

More to come.....

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

either the two layers of resin BEFORE laying down any cloth [remember me saying that ?]

or

maybe

release agent

is needed with epoxy fin panels ?? [I think it was "Finfection " who mentioned vaseline on another recent fin thread ?]

anyone ??

cheers ,

ben

...with polyester resin , I find with brushing on the two layers of laminating resin BEFORE putting cloth on [then extra resin] , I have never had a problem with the glass not coming off cleanly [as long as you have the masking tape on the edges to pull up on , there will be no risk of the glass plate under the panel breaking ].

Grant , I can't help thinking that the extra pressure from the wood and the bricks on top of the fin panel is what has caused / contributed to this problem ...better letting the air harden the epoxy , and to have a slightly thicker curved surface for foiling , than two FLAT inside and outside edges to the panel . Live and learn [hopefully] , eh mate ?!

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Re: Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Hicksy , do you have a photo of the outside of the fin panel [the side you somehow got the wax paper off of ?

...I'd LOVE to see what colour THAT edge ended up ... if the bricks' weight made the colours run into "groovy shades of purple , pink , red , and blues" ?

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Re: [chipfish61] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

With my melamine board I lay down the tape, wax it (just one layer), then start my layup. Brush some resin down first so that wax doesn't get on the first layer of glass.

When I'm done the tape allows me to get a putty knife under the sheet, then it's just a matter of waiting for air to get under to let the panel come up. No sticking problem even with the texture of the melamine.

Maybe it's because you guys use glass which has such a perfect surface, also you guys use a sheet of glass as big as your panel right? Not much, much bigger like my board.

I was at the plastic store the other day and got to talking with the manager. He said he had had a rocket builder use 2 sheets of polycarbonate to sandwich his fin panels in to get them absolutely straight and to squish all the excess resin out. To squeeze the resin he at first used his truck... Just drove the truck up onto the sandwich. Later he got high tech and used an anvil.

Anyways, I think the polycarbonate is probably the best idea since if your panel gets stuck to it you can always bend the poly till the panel comes loose.

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Re: [Kai] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Thanks to Chip's amazing patience, the glass is now off the panel......

This episode's presenter is Ainslie.....



Cutting it out

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Roughly cut out......




Roughly foiled

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Re: Hicksy's resin swirl single keel , for a fin box ....

[and , the inspiration for it ....

thanks , 'ZoSurf' , you are NOT forgotten , mate !

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Re: grinding fibreglass fins ....

cleanup procedure ......

cheers hicksy for the pics !

[safety first eh ?]

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Re: green 'swirlys'....

roughly cut out from the panel.....

foiling ....

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Re: green 'swirlys'....

The ' canard thruster ' setup ....

( these fins are still to be fine sanded , and glossed ...these shots are just to give you an idea of the templates....)

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Re: [chipfish61] green 'swirlys'....

Canard thruster? interesting...Did you make a couple more canards for the new fish?

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Re: [sirwanksalot] canard[s] for fish .....

hi ben !

yes , the Roy- dubbed "clanard" quads .....





...now ...a tartan wetsuit to follow ???


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Re: [chipfish61] canard[s] for fish .....

That looks like part of a catholic girl's school uniform.

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Re: [Big Ben] canard[s] for fish .....

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That looks like part of a catholic girl's school uniform.

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swirls and fabric inlays ....


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'ratso'? how does that work ben?

anyway, looking forward to seeing the canards nice & shiny & polished. good work mate.

reckon as a thruster setup you will find them less drivey than regular longer raked thruster fins. & less hold too i imagine. i look forward to a performance report.

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Re: [oldy] "Ratso's , and fins ....

.....maybe tomorrow ??

in popeye's thruster ?

...depends if the swell stays around ....

if it's the same size as today , I 'll use the blue checkered fins , pictured above .

If it's dropped off , probably in the 'prawn' as a canard , or the "bushfire" [ditto]

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Re: [chipfish61] "Ratso's , and fins ....

The 'clanards' are brilliant.

Chip, your foiling is getting very good.

Looks fun.

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Re: [Lokbox] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

hi Jimmy !

thanks for posting those !

...are they swirled fabric inlays , or is the swirl done on the filler or gloss coat , maybe ?

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Re: [chipfish61] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

they look awesome chip

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

I needed to thicken the fin up to fit a box so I tried something different again.....




5 layers of 4oz for each side, sandwiched between thick pvc plastic and 2 pieces of packing foam.



Pour on the epoxy, let it wet out and then apply some weight to squash it all together....



Then wait 24 hours........

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Then you get this....



Everything peeled off like sticky tape off a roll.....





I cut it out last night about 3/8 outside the outline, foiling tonight....

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

the erie light in the las photo is a point of departure.

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Re: [ambrose] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Yep , backlit by a fluorescent tube photos work okay with digital cameras , eh ?!

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Re: [Hicksy] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

If and when I do another fin panel I'm definatley using epoxy + PVC pressure plates. The way epoxy wets out the cloth is easier than the poly I think.

BTW, did I mention that the guy at the plastics store thought the bubbles in my panels was caused by too much catalyst? I really squirt it in there when I actually only need a few drops for the few oz in a dixie cup.

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Re: [Kai] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

" If and when I do another fin panel".....


Yes, Kai ...but, I want to see your LAST one finished first !


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Re: [Kai] Epoxy Swirl FINS ....

Thanks to Chip's amazing patience, the glass is now off the panel......

This episode's presenter is Ainslie.....



Cutting it out

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