Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

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Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Well, it's summer in Santa Cruz again. The days are long and hot, the waves are small and the kelp at my local break has grown out of control again. After having my fin catch on it continuously the other day while I was trying to catch the remnants of a little south- I decided it was time for a new finless. It's been a couple of years since I made my last one, but I have always wanted to get back to playing around with these designs. This design http://www.swaylocks.com/resources/detail_page.cgi?ID=276 has stuck in my mind ever since I came to Sways, because it is really close to what my natural progression was to be with my personal designs. In my opinion, Dale is right on with pretty much every point that he makes in the notes that accompany the sketch that he has drawn. So I figured, for all of us that have stumbled across this diagram and wondered how it would surf... I'd bring it to life! -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Ok, so she's 9' long by 23" wide, I didn't scale the dimensions from the diagram exactly, I just scaled her up by eye and went with what worked with my eye and my templates cosmetically. I wanted her to have a sleek and sexy look... I already had an idea of how all the lines pull together from shaping my other (3) finless boards. -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

The concave was a b*tch to shape, I had to get pretty serious with my 5000 rpm grinder... love that tool. I can't figure out how to turn the flash off on my camera, the concave is really hard to shoot a good picture of in my shaping room... you can't see the shadows when the flash is on. It looks radical in real life. I am going to finish shaping her this weekend... maybe even today. Oh! I almost forgot- I decided to NOT go with the stringerless design this time around, I want to have our glass shop take care of it, and don't want to have to worry about the rocker getting tweaked badly, the board twisting, or any of many possible problems that can happen to a board like this in the hands of other people. -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Looks fun, Carl...almost Hot-Curlish. Is that EPS? :) I love the deck-rail transition lines, that look is so clean compared to a big dome.

Edit: Whoa :) Not hot curlish anymore! I posted before your shots of the concave... :)

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

...Carl, your shape work is very good...
please take photos in several angles

-in videos that I saw with this type of finless, they looks with heavy tracking problems..

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hi Carl,

Ahh the kelp! I was experiencing the same thing during this last swell. It seems like just when you actually get a wave from all the crowds, and are drawing a nice line down the wave and can see that looong shoulder form, the kelp bed just goes "hold on there buddy, I don't think you're going to go that far" ..."YANK" and your board just stalls!

I hope you finish this finless board and teach those kelp beds a lesson!

Cheers,

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

carl/dale: how do you expect it'll ride? will you be able to turn aggressively, or will it be ginger turns, working at not sliding out?

this post oughta be a nice breath of fresh air -- something out of the usual.

Great idea.

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Re: [9N78W] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

I agree with Jason, "this is a breath of fresh air". It's really inspiring to see designs that are so far out of the ordinary. I'm also very interested in how this type of board rides and turns. Please keep us updated.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hey Carl,
Do oversized wakeboard/kiteboard style fins work in kelp?
Not trying to question your board goals...just curious about surfing in kelp...never done it myself.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Wow. Thanks for posting. I can't wait to see/read more on this one. I'm really intrigued by the idea, and I can't wait to hear how it surfs...

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hi Carl,

An interesting board, the tail concave looks neat, however the tail rails are effectively keel fins, and because they are going to act like fins, I suspect that they will behave like drastically toed out fins because of the rail convergence . . . . I wonder if they would work better if the tail rails were parallel? . . . anyway it will be very interesting to hear how you get on. . .. and please visualise a tunnel fin on top of that concave to complete the circle (oops, forgot, the tunnel will catch kelp, but maybe for non kelpy days ;) )

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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

I'm glad you post here Carl .

I like how your boards are different . And DEFINATELY want to read / ?see? [photos , please?] how it rides , too , please ?

btw...How has your spoon been going , have you been getting any good waves on that yet ?

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Re: [chipfish61] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

i'm really interested in following this thread too carl. thanks for sharing.

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Re: [famousactress] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Here's something- Jamie O'Brien finless surfing

Yeah he's on the wrong design board with the wrong style, riding like on a thruster. Mostly just goofin around. But some great moments! Makes me wonder how his finless surfing would have looked with the right equipment and a few months of serious practice on some really hot walls.

Old question worth revisiting: do we really need fins as much as we think? Or are they (at least sometimes) for certain types of performance, in certain types of waves, for board shapes dependent on "training wheels"?

Would you be willing to trade some directional control for a lot more freedom and smooth down-the-line style speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI6AJold1Hk

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Re: [chipfish61] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

now that's hot
the proof that template can hold down a tail from spinning w/out the
crutch of extreme lateral resistance
learning to use the rail, a priority.
The demo of finless surfing in this clip
makes clear there is no need for new fangled
and revolutionary advancements
to achieve the controled drop on over head
waves.
most illustrations of finless surfing in the near past have been on body equiptment and weird0ass shapes in marginal small to nothing waves
this is a real boost to hypothetical finless musings
and perhaps enough impetus to generate more study
and perhaps breakthroughs on the finless front.
especially the shallow water access
and beach sliding dimension

hark111 ?
is that the sound of a distant bell
ask not for whom the bell tolls,,,
it is tolling for all of our preconceptions
...ambrose...
all predjudice shall tumble before the real information
praise free espeach* and experimentation.

* thats a peach son
thats a peach

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Re: [ambrose] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Quote:
The demo of finless surfing in this clip
makes clear there is no need for new fangled
and revolutionary advancements
to achieve the controled drop on over head
waves.

Yeah, no need for anything new, no revolutions, keep it the same, call fins 'crutches', and call longboards royboards, make surfing as difficult as possible so that there is still some hard zone where the masses can't enter . . . . god forbid that surfing become easy. .. no status in doing something easy. . . . obscure the truth, quarantine it, relabel it, murder it, create a fog of mystery and myth and pass it off for knowledge. . . it's a time honoured tradition. :)

BTW I think that clip is pathetic, he doesn't get very far down the line, so what if he can rotate in the whitewater ?


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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hey you guys. I'm gunna post a few more pictures of the finished product, then I'll repost and answer all your questions. I only have a few pictures, my buddy Delaney came by with his camera, because I wanted to show you guys what it looked like in the shaping room. With my little digicam, you can't really see anything because the flash kills all the shadows- Yuck! But he was still having problems shooting in the cramped space and the low-light conditions. -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

A couple more of Delaneys photos. Thanks man. -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Now for some answers! First of all, I just wanted to thank all of you guys for showing interest in the different posts that I do- I don't really have many people in my day to day life that really care at all about things like this, so it is nice to have somewhere to go and share these kinds of tweako projects that I like to play around with. Sort of my creative vent plug in a way!
reverb- is there anyway you can pass on a name of these videos that you talk about?
9N78W- I doubt it will turn very easy, but it should trim pretty well, I had another board like it, but smaller and that it how it rode- very fast too. I will try to dig up some picture of my other boards later this evening.
craftee- Yes they do, in fact I have a stock "kelp fin" template that I sell through the company I work for. It looks sort of like a football in shape and it is very raked back. I also have an assortment of different extremely raked fins that I have made custom for myself and friends over the years. They work good- but there is something psychological that happens to me when I am surfing fins in lots of kelp- probably flashbacks from all of those years of hitting big clumps and being sent flailing. It is so beautiful to flow over it all and never feel a thing (finless)- with kelp fins, you still feel it, just not as much.
Roy- It will be interesting to see how the board works. I have some alternative theories that I will relay later tonight about how this board will work. Also, you aren't the only one thats tried out hoop fins- just the only one to make a big deal out of it IMHO. :)
Chip- Everyone always asks about the spoon. First of all, it has expanded my mind. It also changed alot of theories I had about board flex. It also completley changed my perception about fins- fin design now ranks above all other things when it comes to conventional board board design in my mind these days. (Yes, I know this is a finless board thread... lol, you can see how thinly I spread myself at times.) I will try to remember to take a picture of the fin that I am running in my board these days. Alot of my design theories are what most people would consider backwards because of the spoon these days. As for riding it- It's very hard to do, I now know why spoons never really caught on. #1 reason, they are nearly impossible to have any real fun on with more than 2 other people out. I now slink off to a mostly unridden left that I know of, that I can enjoy with only a few out- it's been ground at alot and repainted... It takes alot of effort to make it flex properly. It's the kind of board that you don't really talk about much. Until the person you are talking to has tried the board, it is hard to communicate about it. What might look to the observer as a simple "wave" may be a mind-altering experince to the spoon rider. It's very hard to convey. Lots of people have asked about it, yet no one else has ever actually took it out. I guess the idea of freezing your ass off chin deep in cold water while 20 guys on shortboards paddle circles around you endlessly isn't that fun... everything with that board is a hard won battle.
Hootingtubes- Thank you for posting that vid... It really shows how gifted of a surfer Jamie is. Amazing in my opinion... I've tried doing exactly what he does in that vid... it's near impossible. Outstanding.
Roy (again)- Try what Jamie does in that vid sometime.
I'll post more this evening- Im already late!! -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hi Carl,

IMHO I am the only one who has properly applied and understood tunnel fins (those 60's setups were not applied correctly), and do you know anyone apart from John Mellor (who did a very different kind of tunnel from mine) who has developed them in the last 20 years or so ?

Anyway I am wondering if you can see that toed out fins (which are essentially what you are making) will have much the same effect as dragging a bucket ?

Looking forward to hearing about how the board goes, I think that it looks really nice, it's just that toe out bothers me.

Regarding Jamie O'Brien, I am, sure that what h is doing is difficult, I just think that it isn't functional and looks stupid, but that's IMO of course.

Regards,

Ry

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

I was jut thinking of making one of these the other day, and this is just the motivation I need,
thanks

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Re: [cardiffchris] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Thanks for the info Carl.
great pics btw..definitely a mind opener...looking forward to reading your review.

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Re: [cardiffchris] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

on a geological scale our 1/2 blip on the
movie includes a nano blip of fins
fin envy according to the erudite psycologist
HONREID ICTHYO SPAULDUNG
was at its peak in the twentieth century.and fell out of favor when
surface penetrators were outmoded by the purity of controlled skim
liberating the waterborne foiled contraptionsto access the freedom of the
water air boundry layer.The adherants to the fin philosophy
in raised protest continued to argue finer points grasping to theories
that esscentually stunted the growth of understanding
the medium for nearly a century.
Keel boats were of the same ilk
once surface tension was clearly understood
water craft started to go really fast.
Although the under 37 K crowd
still held court at regulated events.*
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the Surface of Terra Aqua"
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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

roy: i appreciate your input at sways, but i would love to see you write posts on other people's threads without mentioning your boards & tunnel fins. it's cool if that is what you'd like to talk about, i just think it's polite to do it on your own threads. just a thought.

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Re: [oldy] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Bro, I only mentioned tunnel fins because of the way Carl's round concave suggested a circular pipe. .. . nothing impolite about that surely,. . .and by the way,I offer some informed comment on Carl's design as well, which is more than some people have done. ... .Carl chose to ignore that input and take a swipe at my mention of a tunnel. ... no worries about that but get off my case please, it's all very well just going cool, wow, etc, but this is a surfboard design forum and I am talking design, so back off or say something relevant.

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Re: [ambrose] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Come off it man, there aren't too many boats around without fins. . . and anyway Carls board does effectively have fins. . . it's just that they are blended into the hull. .. . very nice looking too. I take it that you are allergic to physics discussions. . . . well fine, but everyone has a different path up the mountain. . .. I find physics to be enlightening rather than 'stunting', but each to their own. . . ./


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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Quote:
...so back off or say something relevant.

precisely.

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Re: [oldy] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

I did say something relevant, regarding the effective toe out of the keel fins on Carl's board. .. .

What have you said which is relevant ?

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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Roy, don't get all worked up. This is not the time nor the place. What I meant earlier was that other people have worked on tunnel fins, but have chose to not speak up about them in class. Myself would be one of those people. I never mention it, because I've never wanted to get into some lengthy debate about the pros and cons of tunnel fin designs. I'll just say this- I messed around with them for a bit, didn't like them at all. You messed around with them and loved them. To each his own. Keep on keeping on, and I admire you for having the guts to step out of line. -Carl

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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Roy,

Regarding this design... I satisfied much of my original curiosity by making and evaluating several prone craft and kneeboards, from 3'6" to 5'-6". Most surfed very well for their intended purpose.

A few of the things I learned...

Soft rails throughout (except edges at very end of tail), tapering but not tucked, no sharp release edges. Including a soft curvature (no less than about 1/2" diameter) along peaks of dual keels... I wanted the water to wrap around (diagonally) the keels.

Incorporate a little rear kick to help keep tail drawn down to water.

Avoid making the rear half too thick and buoyant. Concave deck and bottom help reduce flotation.

Split tail also reduced flotation and allowed more tail/rail penetration.

For 2' to 8' waves, forward riding style, using most of rail line with long, fast trim and carve. Not for a lot of short arcs, vertical maneuvers, aerials, etc. Best in waves with long walls.

Re: angle of tail keels..

I made some which were angled in, angled out and parallel. They all "worked":

Parallel keels had mild tendancy to track.

Slightly angled in keels tended to pull board around inward and up face.

Slightly angled out keels blending with template almost felt "neutral" when combined with a bit of roll in forward bottom and rails. Sharper turns w/ weight on tail would often give a short burst of speed.

The faster and more powerful the waves, the more design characteristics were accentuated, for both good and bad.

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Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olse

Wow Dale,
you're really giving up a lot of information here, and it is really appreciated.
This is the net result of a lot of sweat and frustration, not just hot air, which
I really like.

Your findings cross-reference really well with our findings testing shortboards.
I talked to some Aussies who were putting fins all over their boards and found
that toe-out felt right in some instances. I've never been brave enough to do
this, as I've been steered by other intuitive forces.

BTW, my craft you made me is great! On my last trip to the Indian Ocean, I wished
I had it for a few sessions- found some all-time places for inflatables...

...thanks again!

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Back to finless designs. I am posting pictures of the other three finless boards that I built. The first one would be the dark blue one in the first picture, the second would be the brick red in the first picture, and the third one would be the red and white one in the second picture. I will try my best to articulate some of the things that I have learned from these boards, and the evolution and theory behind the designs.
Board number one: This was the basic OK, let's make finless board and see what happens board. When I made this board, I was absolutely convinced that there was no way in hell that it would work. I thought it would be side-slip city. Many people look at that board and see two channels, but what I was thinking was basically a really long base keel fin down the center of the board, and two more smaller ones on the rail lines. On top of that, I was also thinking along the lines of Roy's earlier comments- big keel fins. If you look closely, I even went as far as to slightly "tow" the outside keels in. So basically the board was a big center keel, and two small keels. The rail line in the tail was reversed, this was for two reasons. One being the fact that I was thinking alot about that concept in general at that time in my life, and the other was that I thought that I was going to be ass sliding all over the place on that board. So, I thought "hey, well If I'm gunna be sliding all over the place, why not treat it like a snowboard and see if the "reverse" curve gives me a little bite in the tail?"
So, after riding it a BUNCH (yes... I was kind of stuck on it for a while) I discovered a couple interesting things. #1 was that it did everything backwards of what I thought would happen. Like for instance, on a steep wall it would hang in and work the best, and on a mushy flatter wave, it would slide all over the place. It actually rode really well on a steep wave, but it was really slow... I could never go any faster than the speed of the curl. It was, sort of a take off, hold on, and try to stay right in the perfect place on the wave sort of deal. The one thing that bothered me about the board was that it dragggged! I thought when I made it- it would be fast. Maybe slide all over the place... yes, but if I could get it to go in a straight line- I was thinking speed machine!. I was wrong. Like I said above, it would only match the speed of the wave.
Board number two: I was riding board number one alot, when one day on my way through the door of the factory, board in hand, I was hijacked by Mike Croteau and Will Jobson. (both are legends... what they were both doing there at the same time is a whole 'nother story, involving large lizards, big custom trucks, loud music and R.V. Campers) Anyway, they just about tore that board out of my hands and gave me a stern lesson in fluid dynamics. See what I wasn't on to at that point was the concept that water wasn't just flowing off the board parallel to the stringer line. Some of it was doing that... but alot of it was trying to escape from under the board (hence wrapping over the rails... and over the keels. So what was happening was water was turbulating in the square crevices in the "channels" (not good according to Mike and Will) and also attempting to wrap over the side keels resulting in lots of drag... basically the middle keel was holding me in and the side ones where dragging like crazy, holding me in but not very efficiently. (...I'm trying my best to explain here) So, if you look at board number two, you'll see that I made the keels more blended together, so that the channels in between were rounded. If you look at the board thinking along the lines of water flowing not only parallel to the stringer, but also out from under the board over the side keels and around the rails, you will see the transition from board one to board two. I also increased the tail width of the board because I was mainly riding them in small waves- more surface area. I also ditched the reverse curve, because it was causing the nose to dig in when ever I would try to turn at all. Board two was affectionately referred to as "the brick" ...because of it's red-brown color... and that you fell alot when you rode it. But it worked about 10x better than the first one, it was fast, held in well and it was fun to ride. The only problem with it was that it tracked like crazy... keep in mind that all three "keels" were parallel to the stringer... track city. I actually quit making finless boards for a while after this board... it worked really well and it was alot of fun. Yikes... This is turning into quite a post... I hope those of you that make it this far gain something from it! Well anyway, one day I was daydreaming, waiting for a set to come through at the point... I was probably sitting on my long board or something... when this bodyboarder comes out of no where... standing up... does a couple of pumps and then does a little air. I couldn't fing believe it. I went home that night and started learning everything I could about bodyboards and their rail configurations. That led to board 3, the one in the second picture. So the idea here was to create suction along the rail line, you can see in the picture how much I was aware of the water flow over the keels to the point of the middle of the board becoming a single channel with a raised bump to roll on for control, and you can imagine water flowing over the "keel" lines, and becoming un-attached, creating a vacuum along the rail line- holding the rider into the wave face. Note something else I did, no more parallel to the stringer keels! I was past the concept of keels at this point, and was thinking more along the lines of high and low pressure control, this being the key element in designing finless boards in my mind. This board works really well- It rarely slides out, you can generate a bit of speed on it, and you can sort of turn on it... I've done some of the neatest surfing of life on it. Very cool, it also has a concave deck, for added control. I can't convey the way this board works in words... it feels like you are sliding, but your not. The two closest experiences to riding this board have been, an old Campbell bonzer with the deepest concaves I ever saw, and the GG spoon I built... both of them because of the feeling of interaction with the water flow being the main reasons. Noseriding a long steep wall has the feeling in a way too. ... the things that I learned from board three were, thinking along the lines of keels, is thinking along the lines of fins. No good. Focus pressure on the rail lines- good. If you notice on board three, the rocker radically flipped towards the end... think noseriders... it was a little too much of a good thing... it helped keep the tail down when I moved up on the board, but I think it was a little too much. You can also see how I evolved away from straight lines... no good, they equal tracking. The vacuum rails are a good concept, but I think I went a little overkill on board three, I thought after riding it for a while that I could probably fill them in, and be just as happy. So it all comes together, in building dales board. I wanted a longer board for smaller condions, and also so my friends would enjoy it more- they will only ride my "weirdo" boards when it is small... to play around on. I wanted the rail line to be a cross between the rail lines of board 2 and 3, I wanted to completley ditch the keel that became a bump in the middle of the board. I wanted to keep the concave down the center, with a sligtly flipped profile out the tail, and I wanted lots of curve in the board to help keep it from tracking. Blaaa! Thats enough for tonight... I am sure that my words will be twisted around by the morning... Oh well, I hope someone gets what I was trying to convey! -Carl

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Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olse

Wow! That was awsome, to knock out that post and come back and see what Dale had posted while I was writing it- and to read his conclusions... beautiful! -Carl

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Re: [PlusOneShaper] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Thank you, George

Yes... lots of sweat and frustration. Time and money, too!

Interesting... I haven't liked toed-out fins on mostly flat bottoms with rails shaped for quick release. Toed-in fins are easier to wind up through a series of short arc turns. But good designs can sometimes incorporate seemingly contradictory elements. The trick is in how they're orchestrated.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Hey Carl from the pictures it looks like you did an excellent job on the board. I really like how it came out. Thanks for sharing your project, I am looking forward to hearing how it rides.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

On the surfermag.com design forum, TFAD has posted a mindblowing clip of someone riding a single fin roundpin without the fin. Full bottom turns, tube rides, floaters, off the lips, etc. Pretty humbling stuff...

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Good stuff Carl.
Im assuming you'll be reinforcing that ultra-thin tail area around the stringer right? Soooo thin. Looks like potential major stress concentration there.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

...Carl, I see one of these here in Swaylocks
and I cant remember, but I think that D Frankenreiter surf in one of those

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Re: [reverb] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

yep donavon rode one shaped by jeff 'doc' lausch (spelling?) a few years back.

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Re: [oldy] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

DONOVAN: SURFING WITH THE ALIENS (USO 1)
http://www.surfline.com/video/vids/2002/aug/jsps/doc1_qt.cfm

DONOVAN: SURFING WITH THE ALIENS (USO 2)
http://www.surfline.com/video/vids/2002/aug/jsps/doc2_qt.cfm


Photo courtesy Jeff "Doc" Lausch - www.SurfPrescriptions.com

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Re: [hootingtubes] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

hootingtubes: thanks for the links. goes to show the boards work, especially the second one. of course, frankenreiter is so talented he could ride a door. lol.

i guess the second board in particular begs the question what is a finless board. sure there's no conventional fin attached, but that long pronounced ridge through the tail sure resembles something familiar. food for thought.

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Re: [oldy] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

The UFO reminds me of my old Eaton Zinger (twinzer) - extreme double concave through the tail.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

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This board works really well- It rarely slides out, you can generate a bit of speed on it, and you can sort of turn on it...
So it slides out sometimes and you can 'sort of' turn it. . . . doesn't sound so great, but you say that it's cool because of the feeling of interaction with the water flow. .. . . it all depends what you want out of your surfing I suppose.. . . the finless board buzz must be a vibe thing beyond my ken ! Regarding those tunnels, probably you weren't following the rules. . . they have to be set up just right. .

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Re: [TomBloke] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Roy- Carl's quest includes surfing through areas thick with kelp. So hoop fins are out.

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Re: [BruceMcClellan] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olse

Yes of course, no tunnels (cubed). . .

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

OK Carl, any updates? glassed that thing yet? How's it surf?

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Re: [KeithMelville] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Dale and Carl ...


thanks so much for generously sharing your research with us . [This is GOOD stuff .... these are the sort of thrreads that I come to swaylocks for !]

Hooting tubes ,

thanks heaps for those vid links to donovan on the USO [I wish I still had that 1970's issue of tracks magazine , with Earle Pedersen's fin-less on the cover !]

Gregg Webber also experimented with these designs ...there was an issue of 'waves' or 'surfing life' [forget which] a few years back , which [because of the age of the editors , the readers , and sponsor's pressure] basically dissed anything not 6' x 18 x 2 1/4 , with three fins . I probably should have kept the photos from that article , though , I guess .

Gregg Webber worked for Hot Buttered Surfboards [Terry Fitzgerald] in the 1970s [which might explain the desire to experiment !] , and 'Insight' surfboards in the later years ['80s and '90s , from memory] .

It would be interesting to have had video footage of THOSE guys' designs too , eh ?

keep up the experimenting Carl , I am looking forward to reading how your next finless board surfs ! [Any chance of hiring a video guy [?Tony Roberts , perhaps?] for the day , to video you on it ? I'd LOVE to see how yours goes in the good waves you guys seem to get there . ]

cheers mate !

ben


...I've often wondered how a REAL finless , with no single keel , would go ... the 'lecture' you got from Will seemed to answer a few of those questions . [I just wish we had quality enough right hand point waves here , for me to test one of these designs in , I'd definately be up for it ! ...You east coast Oz guys have all the good setups there to test these in ! ]

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Dale Solomonson Finless Shaped by Carl Olsen

Awesome work Carl, extremely inspiring.

I've been thinking about a finless "skate" like design for small days. by reading your posts I'm starting to think that finless designs need more juice to work well though, as they seem to interact more with the water flow.

If I ever get around to try and make one it will definitely have a deep swallow tail, the tail digging into the face should give it hold and stability
I'd love to try the one your making now.

keep it up

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Almost done!

This is it, almost done- I just have to sand her, no leash plugs, no fin boxes- so simple!! I hope to have her in the water by tomorrow evening, if the surf shows! Enjoy! -Carl

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Almost done!

Very nice. I want to say in a very good way that the board looks quite "normal". It's the
subtleties that you've learned which count. It would be great to get some short vid or
sequences in use.

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Re: [CarlOlsen] Almost done!

Nice Carl. . . in the other pictures it looks like a 5'1O", didn't realise it was so long.

By the way your comments re. board 3. . . I thought that board 3 was this new one (oops) anyway am looking forward to the handling report along with everyone else!

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