Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad (vid.)
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Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad (vid.)
For fish inspiration... you'll enjoy this:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1758336155
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Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
Thanks Dale- the part of me that likes shiny and new ideas is very into the concept of carbon fibre. Daniel Thompson was riding a CF fish his dad shaped that was awesome, and had carbon fibre cutaway keel/fins- apparently the flex and snap back on the fins was really noticeable. Both those boards are great, and obviously Dick van Straalen and Rasta are really doing some cool stuff fooling around with the fish concept.
http://foamandfunction.com
http://waveslide.blogspot.com surf related nonsense on a semi-regular basis
Re: [consafos] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and qua
That was good Dale. We get a good close look at the boards,too. I wonder if the Taoist symble on the keel fish is Van Straalen's or a nod to Steve Lis? Mike
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
Nice clip and info, thanks for posting that.
From the way he handles both boards and swings them around, they are Very light weight. Also the sound when his hand hits them indicates a very light core. If not hollow they are .75 eps core.
Also there is no indication of a center stringer on either board. I'd say both boards he shows have perimeter stringers.
Re: [oceanrider] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
REALLY cool, heaps of stuff to think about there.......
I'm on a road shaped like a figure 8,
I'm going nowhere but I'm guaranteed to be late
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
great stuff thank dale
i was wondering how stiff they would be?
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
This I like. I was interested to hear that he prefered the quad with concave to the twin with vee.
Shame we can't get this sort of input more often, but most premeire league shapers seem to like to keep their innovations to themselves so others can't copy it, fair anough I suppose.
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
Thanks for the link Dale...looks like a very fresh and interesting approach...
clever fusion of old and modern concepts. The first board looks like it hauls ass.
Any one know the name of surf film he refers to?
Paul, just a guess...it looks like its built for DTL speed so I dont think there's a lot of macro board flex going on there (I wouldnt want much either), but there might be some swallow tail and fin flex. Cost of CF is a major deterrant for me - I dont think the benefits outweigh the costs...durability can be achieved in different ways as you know. Interestingly, bamboo is pound for pound stronger than steel...and renewable! In contrast, it takes quite a bit of energy to make CF and huge demand from aircraft makers is raising prices even further. Crazy.
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Re: [craftee] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad
yeah i wanted to say it
but i dig what there doing wrt designs
Re: [rooster] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad
rooster- the symbol is DVS' own.
the movie in reference is Under the Sun
by cyrus sutton (Riding Waves)
supposed to be released this summer
i've felt up the dvs carbon twin keel that he's talking about before, but i can't remember the stringer setup, might be stringerless. either way, you can't tell thru the carbon. that board is rediculously light, lighter than my 4'10 eps/epoxy, and it was a foot longer at least. run can further elaborate, he's got the same one.
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
Thanks for the interesting post. Anybody have any idea as to the widths of those boards?
Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
Anyone know if this movie is out yet, or when it will be?
Re: [tooltripper] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and
I'd never noticed this thread before but I do have a DVS carbon fibre flex keel and the width is 52 cm's. Some have speculated about their speed and they are fiendishly fast.
The fun begins at 3' and in 5' sucky, smooth beachbreaks with light winds they are in their element and the keel fins hold and keep on holding..
No fun whens its too windy or choppy and foamy walls can make things sketchy as mine has a huge concave.
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"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [Cuttlefish] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
Thanks for adding to the discussion.
Yours I take it is the twin fin fish?
Can you give us dimensions 12" from nose and 12 from tail?
How far up from the tips are the fins?
Pictures would be great too!
Thanks
Re: [Cuttlefish] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
Those boards are just wrapped in carbon fiber, they aren't hollow or anything right?
Is it EPS and epoxy?
Yeah lets see some pics of that beauty
Re: [tooltripper] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and
Took some measurements in inches this time.
Nose width is 13 & 3/4"s.
12"s from butt crack is 17 & 1/2"
12"s from swallow tips is 16"s
From swallow tip to leading edge of fin is 14"s
From swallow tip to trailing edge of fin is 6"s
The cutaway in the fin is 4" from the base of the fin to the trailing edge.
I also a 1 & 1/2" tall glassed in centre fin.
Happy to supply pics but I need to be able to e mail someone the pics and have them post them for me.
The thing I noticed about the Rasta clip is it doesn't show the deep V shaped concave that I have in through between the fins I have on my board.
Also a good shot of the V on the outside edge of the fins and rails around the swallow tail may give some good ideas to those wishing to extract more from their fish planshape.
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"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [silly] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad (
they can't be anything but "very stiff". just the way I like 'em.
Re: [Cuttlefish] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
Thanks for all the info.
Would be glad to post photos.
e-mail them to juicesticks@gmail.com
Tripper
Re: [tooltripper] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and
dale--thanks for the link, great look at rasta's rides. cuttlefish--thanks for the insight on your stick, listening to testimony from rasta is kinda out of my realm. he can probably ride the lid off an ice chest and find some good points of performance to note...lol
Re: [namotuman] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and qu
Here are some shots from Cuttlefish of his DVS carbon fish.
Re: [tooltripper] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and
any outline shots ? ie is it fish outline or "rocket fish". Concave deck? how's that feel underfoot ?
Don't let it bring you down.....it's only castles burning.
Neil Young 1971
Re: [lennox76] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and qua
Thanks for posting them. Should be an outline shape and a few others in amongst the shots I pm'ed for and even better look. There's other shots which show the depth of the centre (V) concave well which would be good to post too.
Yes, its a rocket fish and has the concave deck, so just like Rasta is showing in the first part of the video related to this thread. The deck concave is great. Not a thought of needing a tail pad. Not that I bother with them of late anyway.
The little centre trailer was an early rocket fish feature but not used lately but I like it.
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"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [tooltripper] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and
Hey Tool,
thanks for posting that...that board is very trippy.
Cool stuff!
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Re: [DaleSolomonson] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish a
I like that traction strip that Rasta has on the second board. I don't personally use them on my fish, but it's definitely an iteresting concept to use just the vertical piece of the trackion pad for a fish. Often I find myself looking for leverage through a turn on my fish - I wonder how that's working out for him.
Here Goes Nothing.
Well after a bit of research and hemming and hawing, I dug out a marko EPS blank and started making my first attempt at an EPS board.
Finished the outline, bottom contours, and started on the deck concave. Called it a day there. Man I'll say one thing, that EPS gets away from me pretty fast. I can't imagine shaping with foam less dense than the 1.7 pcf. The nice thing was, after a few mess ups on the bottom with some tear outs along the tail, I had used up any extra thickness in an otherwise overly thick blank. Phew, glad there was that extra foam...
Pretty much followed the dimensions I was given by Cuttlefish from his DVS Rocket Fish. Thanks for the pics and all the measurements! It's 2 3/8" thick at the deepest part of the deck concave. Ended up using Aku Shaper to create and outline/template.
This will be my first attempt at glassing a board as well. So this board will get all kinds of firsts out of the way. First EPS, first epoxy, first carbon board. First time posting my work on here too for that matter.
A couple buddies of mine build canoes, so they're nice enough to sell me some carbon for cost. Any advice on how many layers I'd have to go using 4.5 ounce carbon? Will this even work? Thanks in advance.
Here goes nothing...
Re: [lennox76] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and qua
Outline shots.
"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [Cuttlefish] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
Quote:
Took some measurements in inches this time.
Nose width is 13 & 3/4"s.
12"s from butt crack is 17 & 1/2"
12"s from swallow tips is 16"s
From swallow tip to leading edge of fin is 14"s
From swallow tip to trailing edge of fin is 6"s
The cutaway in the fin is 4" from the base of the fin to the trailing edge.
I also a 1 & 1/2" tall glassed in centre fin.
Happy to supply pics but I need to be able to e mail someone the pics and have them post them for me.
The thing I noticed about the Rasta clip is it doesn't show the deep V shaped concave that I have in through between the fins I have on my board.
Also a good shot of the V on the outside edge of the fins and rails around the swallow tail may give some good ideas to those wishing to extract more from their fish planshape.
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Hey Cuttlefish,
How goes it ..... hope things are drying up your way !!!
Firstly, many many thanxxx for spec's, shape comments and images .... much appreciated mate.
Was wondering how far of the rails those fins are placed and the amount of toe being used ????
What's the lenght of the board you've taken these spec's from ???
Also the widest point of the board, is it half way, forward of half way ????
Appologies if you've already posted this somewhere ..... I can't find them !!!
Anyway, look forward to hearing from yaaaaaa
Happy Dayzzzzzzzz
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [Cuttlefish] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and q
Hey Cuttlefish,
Smeeeee again, I was half way to work, (in the traffic) and realised I forgot to ask you something, so I doubled back before I forgot .... hope I don't get the punt !!!!!!
What are the swallow dimension, (tip to tip and crack depth), also the height of the fins ????
Absolutly love DVS's work and this is as close as I ever got to actual facts about his stuff in order to try and shape something up ........... anyway mate would be forever gratefull ........ probably jobless but forever gratefull
Many thanx
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [jc9_0] Here Goes Nothing.
Hey jc9,
Keep the pictures coming thru .......... keen to see the finished product !!!
Looks fine and dandy so far.
Always been interested in what DVS and Rasta man get up to
Anyway will keep my eye out for updates ...... good luck and stay in touch
Regardz
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [jc9_0] Here Goes Nothing.
Hey jc9_0
How goes it hope all is well .... how's the board coming along.
Anyway, check out the links below. I tracked these down, there of Rasta surfing the CF Quad he was raving about
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=1445116
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=86679712
It's a shame we don't have footage of his rocket fish in action for comparison.
Will be going to the fish fry in Qld ... you never know might get to see some DVS specials there ( will certainly grab some shots)
Regardz
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [foamhead] Here Goes Nothing.
G'day Foamhead,
I'm going for a surf and I'll have a look at those dimensions when I get back. Sorry about the late reply but I hadn't seen the thread lately when browsing.
I reckon I'll be at the Fry up in March anyway so I'll bring it along.
"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [Cuttlefish] Here Goes Nothing.
Ahhhh Cuttlefish,
Ya back in Swayziland ..... Good to hear back old mate !!!
Check out the links I forwarded to 'jc0_9, some good footage on CF Quad
Many thanx in advance for requested measurements .... much appreciated
W
PS The fish fry is going to be some fun for all
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [foamhead] gettin' a bit fishy.
Hey Foamhead,
things are coming along sloooowly. My mom was in town for a week and a half and I was busy with work too, but finally I'm back at it.
Cleaned things up some today. Tried to fix some wobbly lines I had on the outline before continuing, then got fed up and just charged ahead. This is certainly the thinnest and lightest board I've ever shaped. Hope it's rideable! Turned the rails, cut out the butt crack, cleaned up the concave on the deck some too. Guess next up is some spackling.
BTW, guys in Hawaii, where have you been getting your epoxy? Do you order from resin research or buy locally?
Re: [jc9_0] gettin' a bit fishy.
Yep .........
Thats look'in very good ....... ma man
Hey, Mom's are great I bet if you asked her for a hand would probably be finished by now !!! Nothing they can't do !!
Thanx for update
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [jc9_0] gettin' a bit fishy.
Whats up jc9_0.....
tell jodi to get RR resin in LAS, thats what I do.
cya
stuman
Re: [Ala_Mo] gettin' a bit fishy.
thanks Ala_mo. I should have thought of that today...she flies home from Vegas tomorrow! Let me know if you're going I'll give you some cash.
By the way, sorry I used the blank I was going to pass onto you. But I think it came out OK so far. Next time I go up there I'll grab you another one.
Re: [Cuttlefish] Here Goes Nothing.
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G'day Foamhead,
I'm going for a surf and I'll have a look at those dimensions when I get back. Sorry about the late reply but I hadn't seen the thread lately when browsing.
I reckon I'll be at the Fry up in March anyway so I'll bring it along.
Hey Cuttlefish.....
How's waz dat surf mate ???
If I don't get my dimensions, I'll fill ya up with a slab of warm beer, 40 bad Dim Sims, give a case of the runs Cathy Freeman would be happy with and then steal the board of you in March @ the Fry up... lol lol lol
Jeez I don't think It's getting dry anywhere along the eastern seaboard at the moment ... how you holding up
Love to hear back from you mate
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [foamhead] Here Goes Nothing.
My apologies for the late reply.
The butt crack is 5"
The distance across swallow tip to tip is 12"
The fin height is 5&1/4"
A few good surfs since then.
"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [Cuttlefish] Here Goes Nothing.
Much appreciated .....
Many many thanx
W
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [Cuttlefish] Here Goes Nothing.
Hey Cuttlefish !!!
Just dropping you a line to say thanks for your family's hospitality at the "Fry" yesterday.
Had to scarper to make the flight out of the Cooli......
Don't forget to post a picture of your fav ride you were talking about .. love to see it
Catch ya
W
PS you have to post that group shot you got at the DVS tent ..... you know the one I mean. The swaylocians will kick on it !!
The "Foamsta" shapes better on his backhand ... o'yeah !!
Re: [foamhead] Here Goes Nothing.
G'day Walter,
I'll get those photos happening this evening and start a fish fry 08 thread.
Very nice to meet you and sorry not to say goodbye as Ahmee (oldest daughter) was fired up by all the fish to take her pink Softlite fish for a paddle.
Cheers,
Pete.
"One day you'll find me washed up on the shoreline but I'll still be useful. Your budgie will love me". Cuttlefish
Re: [Cuttlefish] Here Goes Nothing.
so after over a year of sitting under the house. the rocket fish is finally glassed. it's been so long i forgot the dimensions. all i know is it's 6ft long...
after being mildly pleased with the shape, i absolutely butchered my first glass job. but i'm stoked on how carbon looks with green tint. black in low light, forest green in the sun.
gotta love the sand throughs.
Re: [craftee] Dave Rastovich interview with carbon fish and quad
Just came across this thread so this could be irrelevant info.
Check out Rasta's film ' Life Like Liquid ' . I think it's what your looking for.
Cheers
Mooneemick
sorry....... did'nt see you !