Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia Tests
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
dude...that was awesome...been thinking of making one...this video seals the deal.
I noticed the swallowtail...for fun or function?
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Re: [afoaf] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
They aren't hard. This is the first thing I've ever shaped and did it in an afternoon. I think the water resistant properties of paulownia help though because I only had to oil it. This is only my first one so I can't compare, but my feeling is the fish tail is purely aesthetic.
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Where did you get the wood from? I have been searching all over LA and Ventura counties trying to get my hands on some, any thoughts?
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Re: [soulntradition] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
I got it from a guy in North Carolina. The wood we got was horrible though and spent weeks trying to get our money back, despite a few good planks it was a disaster. So I wouldn't recommend that. I think there's going to be paulowina blanks in cali really soon though...
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
found this: http://paulownialumberandsupply.com/
not really excited about buying wood over the internet though.
Very Cool; Your video makes me want to do this.
Been looking to add something to my workout routine.
So I began a search
After trying to track down info on handboards, hand guns, etc. Its not easy finding these!
ordered one of these
http://www.hayessurf.com quick and easy.
found this one for ??
http://www.waveblades.com/index1.html $300 yes, $300
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Re: [soulntradition] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
did you check with jon wegener?
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Re: [Otis] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Handplanes are coming back into style. Patagoina made them some years ago and stops because of delaming, but now they are at it again and going be coming out with a super-dupper high strength verson. And yes the swallow tail will actually help in stablity and directing your body or so patagonia guys say.
Great video,
Tony
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It's not what you ride, but how you ride what you have.
Re: [afoaf] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Quote:
did you check with jon wegener?
That is where I first heard of Paulownia, but he is in Austrailia and they have it locally down there.
I did see a place in Georgia that you can buy a sapling and grow your own wood, but that is for when I buy my ranch up in Lompoc, ca.
Thanks for the help
Tony
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Re: [Otis] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hess handplanes.
Hesssurfboards.com
Ian
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Re: [Lavarat] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hess handboards at $178 are a freakin' joke.
$178 buys alot more mexican carpentry than whats in those.
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Re: [Lavarat] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Yeah,
Jon is person I was referring to when mentioning paulownia coming to Cali. A while back we made an alaia with that Paulownia wood, it blows every other wood out of the water. I'm now staying with Tom Wegener in Noosa and seeing how its really done. I think there will be Paulownia wood readily available in Cali very soon if not already... have to confirm...
Check out my new board, Tom shaped this two days ago! The wood guru himself... Stoked!!!
Also here's a vid of me riding the alaia back in Cali that we shaped last month...
http://blip.tv/file/1588644
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Go Cyrus! Cool shit!
Re: [easternpacific] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
that vid is sick do you like 7 ft I was thinking of a 6'6 I am 160 lbs
I am just a moron saved by the grace of God.
Re: [Otis] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Wow if he gets $178 for those I am in the wrong bizz.
I take loads of scrap1/4-3/8 inch 5-ply birch to the dump every week.
Those videos are insane, you make it look easy.
I built a 7'8" alaia after watching the Bending The Plank one.
After some playing around I cut it down to 6"6" and have a nice 1'+scrap.
Any hints on handplane dims?
This is what I used to use for a handplane, cheap, ding resistant, and nice after a surf too.
Ian
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
That's really cool, I thing you've just given me another project to add to my list, I should have some off cuts from the alaia I plan to built.
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Re: [woody_waverider] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
A 6'6" board is the size that tom's holding in the shot. I'm around 140 and I really enjoyed riding the 7'0" i was riding in that 'bend the plank' clip. I rode the 6'6" though and it was really fun too.
Here's my take on it. These boards offer no floatation. I know machado is riding a 5'9" of a similiar shape and doing insane things. Its all about making one and seeing how you go. I don't feel much difference between longer boards (like 7'4"'s) and the shorter ones I've tried (like 6'2"'s). Basically you've got no floatation either way and the surface tension you get from sliding down a decent wave is more than enough to handle a person of medium build. The key is paddling and pop up fitness.
handplane dims- I don't have any dims on any of those boards- alaia or handplane. I'd suggest you just look at your hand and think about what you'd like to have surrounding your hand in the water.
Today a friend took me into thisl retro surf shop in Sydney and a I scored a 60's and 80's handplane for $35 all up. Stoked. I rode the 80's one today in a beach break similar to Huntingtion in the vid clip. It rode very well, some interesting design characteristics. Photos soon!
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia Tests
I am in South Carolina and just got my hands on a Paulownia blank that Jon left at Surf Expo. The Alaias are simply beautiful. This is my first shaping attempt and my five year old son is stoked to help. We are going completely hand planers with the occational orbital sander. I can't wait to get into this stuff. Anyone share any quick do/donts? Aloha.
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
hey cyrus. good to have you here on sways mate. enjoy, n.
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Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Here's what I found out Blokes, there is one grower here in California for Paulownia. They do not do lumber sales nor did they know anyone of did it in the western US. Most Paulownia is acually grown outside the US and shipped in, so for a wood that grows at a rate of about 30' in 4 years in should be cheap but it is not really. As of right now the best thing to do it try and find someone who has a tree and cut it down when they are on vacation. I called every major exotic lumber company I could find in the greater LA area and most have not even heard of it.
The other option is offset by about 5 to 6 year is to grow you own. I recommend buying about 40 trees, which will set you back $220 giving to all your friend for Christmas and they when they get to big offer to cut them down for free. Instant wood with no work.
I'll keep you all informed, I actually did find a guy that wants a few Paulownia trees cut down. I am trying to work out a deal with him right now to "unburden" him of the pesky trees. Fingers crossed.
Tony
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Re: [soulntradition] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Tony,
You are right. If you could put 40 trees in the ground your return would be 100 fold in less than 10 years. The only problem is the land required for such a plot. 20-30 yards between each tree to allow root growth. I have a couple acres of old family fields that I'm growing five trees with plans to add at least 5 more next year. I love the buzz about Paulownia. Miracle trees.
Steven
Re: [soulntradition] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Jon Wegener is located in Los Angeles.
http://www.wegenersurfboards.com/contact.html
He has (or did have) paulownia lumber and alaia blanks for sale.
His brother Tom is in Noosa.
If you are in California and looking for paulownia, you should send Jon an email.
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Re: [surfsidesurfs] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
www.dragontrees.com says
"Tree Spacing" - Plant no closer than 6' to a walkway or foundation. If planted next to another tree, plant no closer than 5 feet. Recommended distance between trees is 12 feet. So it does not need quite so much space.
If you want cheap trees contact them 12 trees for $120 and they even throw in another 12 for free. That is alot of board in a few years.
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Re: [soulntradition] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hmm,
I agree, Jon is the way to go in the states. I wasn't sure if he was up and running yet. He and Tom have a great thing they're starting. I'm all for planting your own but other than the time and work it would take to do that you've got to consider there are the different types of Paulownia- Elongata and Tomatosa to name a few. Tomatosa grows best in more temperate climates like Cali but is considerably heavier. Elongata and other tropically grown varieties are much lighter and make for better alaias. The board I'm surfing in the 'blending the plank' clip is from the lighter elongata variety. I'm not sure if the lumber they are using for their blanks is the Elongata variety, but feeling their blanks at Tom's farm in Noosa, I can attest that they've got the lightest strongest stuff I've ever felt.
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Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Quote:hey cyrus. good to have you here on sways mate. enjoy, n.
Thanks Brotha N,
Last night went off btw! Good luck with your screening, bummed I can't come!
Shakas
C
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Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Not sure if anyone found this, but in the surfshop under materials there is a guy in Northern California selling Paulownia. The price is very reasonable as well. I just ordered some.
Soul
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Re: [afoaf] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
They aren't hard. This is the first thing I've ever shaped and did it in an afternoon. I think the water resistant properties of paulownia help though because I only had to oil it. This is only my first one so I can't compare, but my feeling is the fish tail is purely aesthetic.
what kind of oil did you use, was it boiled or raw linseed oil?
i've found that boiled linseed oil forms a kind of sticky layer after about 6 times off applying with around 36 hours in between.I read tom wegener wasn't to happy about the siccatives in the boiled linseed oil. So i just bought some raw oil. But then i had this biochemistry course the other day, and it was all about enzyms/catalysts which is what the siccative is, but then in nature. If you compare the enzymes with the siccative, some siccatives seem to use the same metals i'm not sure about the whole complex around it. The thing is that if you use the right siccatives you would be doing it just like your blood takes oxygen from your lungs in a natural way. This is done when the siccative contains for example Cobalt or Nickel or a whole bunch of other metals used in eukarya (living things). My point that the varnish like layer on the wood that it gets after about a week of putting boiled oil on it is completely natural and it opens up a whole other world of woods which can be use for alaias and handplanes, and seal it nautrally. Which may not have the same wateresistant features of pauwlonia, but is easier accesible.. What do you guys think about it? and does the raw linseed oil form the same sticky layer on top of your wood?
for people looking for different wood species suitable for crafting alaia's i reccomd this book from the us forestry department:
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.pdf
it also contains some information about sealing wood, in which they show linseed isn't to succesful. which doesn't confirm with my observations.
i hope this is of any use to one of you.....
anyway i'll post some pics of the layer of sticky stuff on my alaia
Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hey great vid Cyrus.Cheers to you and Danny Hess for the Idea.
I put on my butcher's cap the other day and cut these out of some scrap ply
I've tinkered with them a bit more since .... think i'll spray them rattle can yellow so's they can be found in the surf . Maybe decorate with some tribal motifs - great ceremonial masks.
Now , let's see if the photo thing works ....
Lookin forward to trying em out
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hey Cyrus,
I shape boards for Tom down near Bells beach in Australia. I've become obsessed by the alaia and other sorts of wacky wooden projects too. I've got about 20 different alaia's from 8ft down to 4 ft. I've also built a 12ft olo which I've ridden twice and it's given me a new respect for the ancient Hawaiians.
The board in the pic is my new secret lover ! It's 5ft by 13 inches by 3/8ths thick. I ride it prone with flippers over super shallow reefs and sandbanks, and it totally flies!!!! I tried to make it an honest replica of an ancient alaia, with the idea that I'd hang it on the wall. But after I tested it one clean offshore afternoon, I'm hooked. This is without a doubt my favourite board of all time! I've never been into bodyboarding, but this thing has changed me forever! It's got a gently rolled bottom and deck, and it doesn't really have a top or bottom. Both sides are pretty much identical. In the tail shot it looks like it has a concave, but thats just because it was 40degrees over here today and it's a bit warped from sitting in my van all day! This thing is so much fun in the small summer surf we have over here in OZ.
Keep up the good work. Good to have you on Sways!
Cheers,
BJ.
"Bring forth the Mollusk...."
Re: [afoaf] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hey Wasabi,
I just talked to Tom about this. He uses raw linseed oil in Australia but says that it is illegal and hard to find in the USA.
These are his mixtures
USA 1/2 Boiled Linseed Oil 1/2 Gum Turpentine
OZ 1/3 Raw Linseed Oil 1/3 Gum Turpentine 1/3 Apple Cider Vinegar
I've tried making alaias out a few kinds of wood but nothing compares to paulownia in my opinion...
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Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Those look insane!
I'm excited to hear how they work.
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
BJ,
Damn, that board looks fun. That's next on my list of things to shape :) I've been riding a few of tom's prone boards around the points in noosa the last few days. They're a hoot!
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Re: [afoaf] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
OZ 1/3 Raw Linseed Oil 1/3 Gum Turpentine 1/3 Apple Cider Vinegar
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Re: Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia Tests
Aw man , didja pull the vid ?It was cool !
I love the alaia clip - and the one following it ( the quad fish at Latin point one).Awesome !
In leiu of your clip I found this instead, handplane action starts at about 3.00 min.YouTube - BE YOUR BOARD
Great work Cyrus.
edit ; false alarm , just tried the vimeo clip again so my son could see it and it works again , all is good.
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Re: Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia Tests
It was just a twin fin I was riding on that clip...
Wow, that was HEAVY. That looks like such a hell bodysurfing wave! How high was that guy getting?! THanks for sharing that, that's insane!!!
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Re: [oldy] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hey Nuclear, great job on those handplanes.
The ply foils looks really good.
Cyrus... good form on those waves. Looks fun.
Was out surfing one Saturday morning a few weeks ago, snapped my leash.
I left the board on the beach and spent the rest of the morning bodysurfing the weak 2'-3' waves.
So much fun... easy to get into a pattern of rushing around looking for decent waves.
Very cool to just take it easy and enjoy the beach and surf.
Re: [Lavarat] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
I brought all my friends out to help cut and sand this Alaia. The more hands on it the better. Blake Brown is helping me clean up my rails here. Should be sanding most of this afternoon.
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Bj,
It sure is thin & narrow - is it difficult to get into the waves and generally kick/paddle - some of the reefs near Torquay can have serious rips. I tried one of Tom's real short (it was only 3 or 4 ') and thin boards and found it just too flexy for me. The board I ended up was stiffer, but still really flexes in bigger waves.
I was going to do a trip to Vic this year but the plans have changed - I'd love to try an alaia at W. I have almost finished my first board (one more coat of oil) which I hope to try out down north NSW next week.
Bob
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Hey there Bob,
Yeah, it's quite flexy, But I've grown to like it like that. It doesn't really have any usefull buoyancy, so it's more like body-surfing with a portable planing surface. My swimming strength has improved out of sight ! I tend to ride this board at shallow beachies and low tide reefs so there isn't much of a paddle. When there's more of a paddle involved I ride the 6 footer below, It's still only 3/8ths thick, but its 15' wide and has a parabolic rail.
This thing is super fast and holds in the steepest of waves. It also works well as a stand up alaia but I tend to ride this one prone. The low volume makes it great for sitting deep on the inside on bigger days because it's so easy to duckdive. This makes it easy to pick off waves that other surfers let through while they're jockeying for the bigger sets. Being 6 foot it also paddles well when combined with a pair of flippers.
Cheers
BJ.
"Bring forth the Mollusk...."
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane Test
Thats wierd! I can't figure out why that picture came up twice???????
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Re: Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia Tests
A couple of recent wood projects.
3'2 Paipo (displayed proudly by Manoa)
12 foot solid paulownia Olo (3 plys, 8 sheets)
8 foot authentic ancient style Alaia (same roll top and bottom, no concave)
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
I Heart Handplanes... Part deux for my girl on V-day...
Wood burning tools are the shizzle...
made of paulownia again...
She got some good rides on it :)
Re: [lincolnlogger] made of paulownia again...
I havn't had a chance to have a go with my Hess inspired hand boards yet - the times I've been surfing the waves have been too good, or breaking too far out.
Found this French dude's blog though - all sorts of neato hand boards on pages 2 and 3
Bodysurf, handboard et glisses alternatives
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Re: [NuclearFishin] made of paulownia again...
I don´t really quite understand why these boards are not covered with varnish...
there are so many varieties of good varnish...
or as you do, why don´t you submerge them in hot oil, that will impregnate the wood forever..
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
I read this and got pretty fired up to make my own. I made mine from Pawlownia as well. I used a coathanger to make a brand - turned out looking pretty cool!
I've been trying to seal mine up with Boiled Linseed Oil. Is that all i need to use?
Thanks for the inspirado!
Re: [chainsaw] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
With Boiiled Linseed Oil you should mix half of it with Gum Turpentine. That combo really impregnates the wood well. Two-Three coats work best. Paulownia wood is so water resistant you almost don't even need to oil it. I had a little nick in my handplane and after using it for a while, the nick actually bloomed out, like the wood was naturally repulsing the water...
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Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
boiled linseed oil will dry faster but that is because it has chemical additives mixed in.
raw linseed oil takes a bit longer to dry but is completely natural.
i heat my blank up in the sun a bit before applying it and then put the oil on in the shade. the wood will expand a contract a little so it sucks the oil in a bit better.
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
The board looks great! How did it surf? What type of bottom did he use?
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
Idler, I like what you are doing. Can you give a ride report for the 8 & 12' boards. And your thoughts on concave or not?
Re: [lincolnlog] Handshaped Paulownia Handplane and Alaia ...
Hey Guys,
That board rode great, I've found wider fish-shaped handplanes work great in small surf (don't know the exact dims and I've since given it away), the wide planning area allows you to trim out on small waves really well. I've since shaped a bunch and that fish template still is my favorite for waves under 4 feet. For bigger stuff I made a handgun that works in juicier reef waves.
Here's clip of my buddy and I surfing the handgun on a good sized day
http://vimeo.com/5602960